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  AllTimeJeff: When you get a moment, Your take on this would be appreciated.

  by palmtree67 in

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  this is one of the first major incidents that made me start questioning.. our hall had 5 elders and 2 ms's.

  we also had various other brothers, all doing fine.

  some of the brothers who didn't have priveledges did magazines, literature, etc.. one day, the elders decided the brothers were not reaching out enough.

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  Spike. Don't make me laugh! Get real!

  How much does it take for you to realise that you have to put so much 'spin' on all these 'irregularities' for want of a better phrase? The more I hear the less it makes sense and I guess I'm not alone in this. What I fail to realise is how people can give some sort of rationale to this type of reasoning. Some sort of test? What do you mean? I have to equate all this with the simple understanding of "his commandments are not burdensome". Then you come out with this baloney!

  I have no problem with sisters doing these things as long as it doesn't demean the brothers within their own (JW) code. There are many women more than capaple of doing these tasks. But, if the Society decides they shouldn't be then you have to question the 'code' by which arrive at such decisions.

  You have a typical case whereby the 'lesser congregational lights' are not able to question or query what the 'greater lights' are doing for fear of losing any respect or priviledge they do have. What a ridiculous state of affairs.

  Next they'll be counselling the sisters, removing their priviledges cos they have a beard! Or, perhaps, their hair is covering their ears!
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  Everybody say hi to my husband...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  because we have a stinken spy on our hands!

  oh, and he wants to let everyone know that he is unbreakable in the truth.

  as a matter of fact, hes going out in service both saturday and sunday.

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  Hi Cognac's hubby - maybe withcokeandice

  Enjoy it here... learn loads. I, too, was unbreakable until I was lied to - not over doctrine so much as by elders and 'friends'.

  Had my first real brush with a JW in the ministry 2 weeks ago. Been out for 5 years and this was my first 'cold call'. I was presented with a brochure- all I asked was, "but what do you want me to do?"... "read it" "No, what do you want me to achieve? What is your final objective for me?" He couldn't tell me... he was lost for words.

  It truly was then I realised how shallow this ministry is.... a complete waste of time. He, I assume, realised that he should be embarking on a course of my indoctrination. Maybe, just maybe, he was aware of how much needs to be accomplished and how much he has been trapped by a concept that in reality has no TRUE precedent in Scripture. The borg may sugar coat it and wrap it up in 'nice' things but to get an individual to fully commit (baptism?) a lot of lies must be conveyed as 'truth'.

  You'll learn much here - and it's entertaining.

  I've observed your dear wife's progress and devotion to you and her family. I never had that in all my years in a 'loving' witness relationship (32 years). The last 14 years of which I discovered I had been bringing up another man's child. That focusses the attention believe me!

  Yes, withcokeandice, savour the beauty of your relationship and family. Move ahead to maturity! Next port of call? "Crisis of Conscience" - boy did that open my eyes fully!

  Take a firm grip of the REAL truth. "Test the inspired expression to see if it originates with God". The answers are so plain to see when the blinkers (blinders? US) are off. Open your heart and see for yourself.

  I, too, have never put so much effort in to welcoming a new one!
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  Watchtower Society greedily steals Witness Tsunami relief fund...Sick!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  just after the tsunami brothers donated millions in relief funds, marked "for the tsunami victims"....not realizing few brothers lived in these muslim areas.

  problem is the society wanted this money for itself so..... kingdom ministry nov 2005 {11 months after tsunami} "last year brothers donated towards those effected by the tsunami disaster...however, when donations are earmarked for certain disasters it is...to use these funds only as specified by the donor {so what?

  } and within a certain period of time, whether the needs of the brothers have been cared for locally or not.

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  It is a 5 page legal document sent to the Swiss banks to get funds sent to them for Nazi Persecution of Witnesses.

  Goodness...... it was signed by a woman.... a sister?
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  Have you ever made the elders get so mad at you?

  by asilentone in

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  Oh yes - And did I enjoy it!

  I had an elder "bang to rights" over his lying both to and about someone in the congregation, as well as to me and about me.

  Two elders came and told me I was right. I then asked what they were going to do about it, it had festered for about 2 years on and off. "Everything will happen in it's own time, If Jehovah wills it then it will happen." I remonstrated that they have enough evidence against this indivdual and something should be done...... the response was priceless!

  "Have you ever thought, Hotspur, you are running ahead of Jehovah?" I replied in the only way left for me to reply....

  "Have you ever thought you are actually running behind him?" ..... Hacked off and angry would be an understatement.

  Did I gloat? Not within my nature!
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  Supreme Court Blood Case - WTS LOSES

  by skeeter1 in

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  2. medical

  http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc30/2009scc30.html.

  supreme court of canada.

  wts loses!.

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  I do not believe it is loving to see how close we can come to a forbidden line without going over it.

  Spike - Funny how you can see things one way and yet not reason that it could be equally as valid in the converse. As Isaac has stated you can use fractions of blood which hadn't been poured out. Tell me the difference in skating this close to the edge please?

  One day you and Reniaa will perform 'joined up' thinking.
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  Bible Jim is at it again! (#2 Series of Bible Jim dismantling the false belief system of Jehovah Witnesses)

  by stronglogos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  6 videospt.1 of 6 (#2 bible jim dismantles jehovah witnesses)6 videos(watch and learn as bible jim dismantles the false belief system of jehovah witnesses)play allshare

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  this bbilejim is annoying he makes basic mistakes not even knowing the bible correctly :S yet he is aleader of his own religion.

  Since when has that stopped anybody? There is a group of men in suits that have been doing this for years!
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  An interesting birthday party

  by boyzone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there was i all ready for a fantastic night out down the local pub to celebrate my boss's birthday.

  me, hubby and all the gang from work were there dressed in our fabulous 70's retro gear ready to partayy.

  there's me dressed in a sleek fitting psychadelic mini dress with platform silver boots and a blonde wig.. the place is packed, and i mean heaving.

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  Yay - go Girl! The whole "area" is known for it's tittle-tattle.

  I'll write to you later.
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  Things I learned at the 2009 DC !!!

  by tresdecu in

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  2. friends

  unfortunately i had the "flu" friday and saturday.

  but i made it to the sunday session to make an apperance.. on sunday, i learned that we are,... ready, this is a new one for me :"...on the doorstep of the great tribulation..." so close brothers!

  so close!.

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  On the doorstep of Armageddon

  That just has to be the ultimate in confident talk. I suppose that's all it takes ..... a few confident words by super confident, company men!

  I'm certain they are not on the footpath of the right address, let alone the doorstep!
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  what is the one thing that made you want to NEVER go back???

  by NINfan05 in

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  2. friends

  for me it was when my elder dad put brusies on my arm, drug me down the hallway making me hit my head and broke my finger which resulted in surgery...and then he blamed it all on me!!!!

  made me go to the meeting with my cast all druged up on pain killers and tell everyone that asked me what happened that it was an accident.

  f***ing loser!!!!!

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  Two things ..... the UN issue .... the cover up with Paedophiles.

  Either one would've done it for me..... these two were dynamite together!
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  what was the worst advice you were ever given

  by rockmehardplace in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was that one way to increase my field service time for me and my wife was by standing at a truck stop and hand out tapes to truckers in the early mornings.

  this is the same lot that is frequented by drug dealers and hookers.

  another time, while studying, i said i did not understand the blood issue.

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  Yep, dear James Potticary, that elder that said I have to do everyone's job as its my responsibility alone. I even remember the scripture he used to justify his stand.

  You just sent a shiver down my spine! I know that name - shame he never took some of the advice I know he was given.