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  What happens when you die????

  by kevin221 in

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  question to throw out to anyone who cares to answer.. what do jw's believe happens when they die.

  jon always told me that when life was over, that was it, no heaven no hell just nothingness.. is that what jw's really believe?

  he didn't like to talk about it with me because he thought it would upset me.. thanks for any input,.

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  Grout

  Father Guido Sarducci has this one right.

  Your soul rises depending on how good you are. If you're a mobster, for example, you only rise about four feet and you spend the rest of eternity staring mortals in the bellybutton.
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  Festering Helplessness

  by indireneed in

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  i wanted to take this opportunity to vent some frustration and ask for suggestions on how to proceed .

  .. my wife is just preparing to be baptized this weekend.

  i have tried to dissuade her numerous times, even preparing a logical argument that i thought was indisputable.

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  Grout

  NYT, don't you realize how desperate you sound?
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  Media Sensationalizes Nukes vs Terrorists

  by Amazing in

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  listening to cnn and other news outlets, i find that the media pundits are making a big deal out of nuke plants vs terrorists.

  in one case on cnn they are either illinformed or dishonest.. the claim was made this morning that nuke plant containments have never been tested for an airplane crashing into them.

  this is false.. i posted on this topic two or three weeks ago.

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  Grout

  I thought the NN-EMP was just vaporware:

  http://www.soci.niu.edu/~crypt/other/house.htm

  But then again, maybe not:

  http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html
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  The fifth column

  by Simon in

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  what is the one thing that the witlesses have and rely one?.

  isn't it the 'fellowship' and the 'love'... a 'uniting bond of unity' (puke).. what if they didn't have it??.

  i mean, what if, when someone visited a hall for the first time, they weren't welcomed with open arms and 'love-bombed' / conned into their clutches.

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  Grout

  Anybody can lie or deceive themselves about what it means to be "doing well" or "being happy". So that's not going to help much, IMO.

  But I really like the Fifth Column idea. Really.
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  JW & Suicide Cases part 2

  by bj in

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  i would like to thank all those who contributed in the first part or wrote to me in private.

  but i feel, there's many, many, more cases left untold.

  therefore, i bag everybody to try to remember.

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  Grout

  Yes, please send your address to me. My mail is unlocked.
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  JW Youth- Harshest Rules Ever

  by metatron in

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  witness parents wring their hands, cry in their pillows and mumble.

  remarks about satan's influence "in these last days.".

  they are told that the world is getting worse and worse.. they are told that temptations are no different than they've ever been.. wrong!

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  Grout

  Has the rule about masturbation changed, then? IIRC, when I looked into the matter (ahem), it was discouraged but not a judicial issue.
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  Michael Jackson comments in TV Guide

  by Dogpatch in

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  michael jackson still claims to be a jw.

  http://www.freeminds.org/african/african.htm.

  randy

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  Grout

  "... full of lies"? The hell?
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  How many do you know like this?

  by crownboy in

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  a bethelite brother gave a public talk at our hall a couple weeks ago.

  one part of the talk focused on "putting kingdom interest first".

  he gave examples of how some gave up material comfort so they could pursue the ministry.

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  Grout

  My ex-P.O. in Tampa, Florida sold his interest in a good consulting biz in Chicago and pioneered until the cash ran out. He also railroaded me into blame for my divorce when it was my ex-wife who slept with another man.

  What a guy.
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  Crisis of Conscience: POLL

  by Grout in

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  well, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.

  the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.

  maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?

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  The tone of CoC, and the excruciating care with which RF explains his sources and the nature of his information ... in particular, noting what information was hearsay and how he got it ... has the ring of truth. More specifically, it's the style of someone being very careful not to overstate or misstate anything.

  RF knows the propaganda value that catching him in a genuine falsehood would have. He seems to have been excruciatingly careful in his writing. And it seems to have paid off. Whatever else RF is criticized for by the WTS, I've never seen him called on a factual error.
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  Motivation

  by ItsJustMe in

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  i'm obviously new here, so i'm going to ask a question i'm sure has been discussed before but has me quite curious.

  what motivates you to spend so much time discussing jehovah's witnesses?

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  Grout

  Anyone who was a dub for any length of time must put a high value on the approval of others, or he wouldn't stay a dub. So we seek approval and belonging outside the WTS as well. No shame in that, we're only human.