last sundays watchtower 1/6/01 pg 13 p4 ,under the subheading of " who today have gods backing?
" said "granted, true religion does make people better.
but does the fact that a religion produces better people in itself prove that it has god's backing?
that just happened in another post. to paraphrase,
"JW know that the Israelites were slaves for 215 years because it says in the <publication of choice> that the Israelites were slaves for 215 years and so on and so one. <sigh>
A fabulous point, sleepy.
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215 years or 430 years?
the july 15th wt study some have been talking about (not sure of which issue of the wt is involved) was quoted as saying this, "when the israelites headed for freedom after spending 215 years in egypt, much of that time in slavery, a vast mixed company also went up with them.
(exodus 12:38) ".
Hang on to your WT folks; I can guarantee you that if this is a booboo, the bound volumes and the WT CD-ROm will say something different!
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those of you who have helped family and friends out of the org, what line of reasoning worked well for you?
what scriptures did you use?.
any help you can give, i would appreciate.. "plant your own garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers.
I don't understand why, but this has helped me get 3 kids back out of the organization (after dragging them in from birth)
I would say things like...I just read <pick one, Rutherford's,russell's>book, and it was very interesting. I just read the Society's Proclaimer's of God's Kingdom book, page number or chapter whatever. I just read <watchtower/awake/issue whatever. Don't tell them what it says in advance if you can help it.
What I've been saying to Witnesses i meet, "My heart goes out to Jehovah's Witnesses, this is a difficult time for them. Seven failed prophecies, child molestations, etc etc. God bless you in this difficult time." or something to that effect. it tends to open the floodgates!
If you give them permission to be a Witness, they can't wait sometimes to get out. Maybe some other posters on this board can give insight into this.
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at the dc this weekend, they released memorial attendance figures for the us.
funny thing.
2001 2, 163, 602 (announced at dc, if i wrote tham down correctly).
At the DC this weekend, they released Memorial attendance figures for the US. Funny thing
2001 2, 163, 602 (announced at DC, if I wrote tham down correctly)
2000 2, 153, 268 (2001 yearbook of JW's)
but in 2000 US baptisms were 30,290.
Does anyone see a problem with these figures except me.
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made me so sick, i had to leave.
for those who dont know, the article is here..... .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7763&site=3.
I wanted to leave early also.
The speakers went on and on about 'based on God's word the bible'. They specifically mentioned: the trinity, the name jehovah, the soul, meeting/assembly, baptism, holidays, donations. Scriptures were used to back these up to the extent JW's ever do.
My question, is: no mention of alternative service, the blood issue, the shunning issue, and the treatment of women and children. Is that because there are no scriptures to back these WT doctines up?
A good point for JW wannabes. Catch 'em early.
I noticed, too only one slight mention in passing of the 'organization'. That is true of the August study articles as well. It appears they might be toning down the 'mother organization' line, at least for public consumption.
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have this year's jw dcs had any of the gb as speakers?.
just curious.
My DC 7/13 had brother Ted Jawrasc (sp)as concluding speaker and concluding prayer, Long Beach CA. only went sunday pm, don't know about the other days.
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was it before you left or after you left and what promtped your investigation?.
for me it happened a few days before christmas of last yr. it was right after my roommate purchased his computer.
i looked up jehovah on ms encarta, clicked on a link and as they say the rest is history.. i had just lost my job so i was able to spend a lot of time researching and looking into all kinds of shit.
I'd been df'd for years, but still 'loyal' <gag> thought it was all my fault. Then I got my first computer, looked up Jehovah's Witnesses, and got Freeminds.
Thanks, Randy, you're a lifesaver!
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was it before you left or after you left and what promtped your investigation?.
for me it happened a few days before christmas of last yr. it was right after my roommate purchased his computer.
i looked up jehovah on ms encarta, clicked on a link and as they say the rest is history.. i had just lost my job so i was able to spend a lot of time researching and looking into all kinds of shit.
Well I had had doubts all along, but the C of C really did the trick for me.
i have seen several mentions of watchtower cd's.
where might i obtain one?
closer.
Actually I've been in the process of creating a WORD file of all the info on the cd-rom. It's a slow process, but I'm a fourth thru now. Then we can do REAL searches. Right now type in 1975 and quess what doesn't come up>>>
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"day one" is a story written by a jehovah's witness about what things.
might be like the day after armageddon.. this example of theocratic fiction has been around for quite a while.. but some may not be aware of it.. you can read it at this address:.
[ http://www.freeminds.org/dayone.htm].
So let me get this straight..The GB is saying
yes, we made a mistake(s) regarding 1890 whatever-it-was, 1914,1915, 1925, 1935, 1975, and 2000, with a few little measly unfulfilled prophecies in between, but this time we're right. The sky is really going to fall this time, and you are going to die because you did n't believe us - this time.
And the scriptural example of this is - where?
And this, brothers and sisters is the truth for this week...
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