Posts by gsark

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Ahimelech, Jesus and Inerrancy

by Simon in

apologies for plagurism.

i don't know where i originally got this from so can't give due credit.... how much did jesus know about the bible?

not having a handy edition around, he had to rely on his memory.

gsark

I thought the text of" what David did when he fell in need and got hungry, he and the men with him?" could be understood as ..."what David did (alone) when he and the men with him fell in need and got hungry. David would not allow any of his men to assume the risk, only he himself, so he went in alone. (He could have sent someone else)

I Sam 2:20 Ahimelech was the son of Abiathar
II Sam 8:17 Ahimelech was the son of Abiathar

One wonders if this another case, where the righteous son (Ahimelech) does honor to God where the father (Abiathar) did not (very much like Jonathon and Saul. A lot of that going around in those days.) In which case it is good Ahimalech escaped, perhaps David told Ahimelech the truth and warned him about Saul.

One can assume David loaded himself up with bread and took it back to his men.

I couldn't find anything about the showbread being unlawful either, but the account doesn't say it was unlawful by means of the Mosaic Law. Perhaps some additional Jewish law, added on, we all know how that is huh kiddies. (WTB&T anybody)

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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news from the d.c.

by zev in

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i have nothing to share that already hasn't been posted by other good people who take notes.

i slept as much as possible.

one thing that i can say.... if i hear any of these expressions over the next week, i'll hurl on whoever says them.. gods earthly organization {substitute jehovah for god for any of these}.

gsark

deleted, double post.

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news from the d.c.

by zev in

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i have nothing to share that already hasn't been posted by other good people who take notes.

i slept as much as possible.

one thing that i can say.... if i hear any of these expressions over the next week, i'll hurl on whoever says them.. gods earthly organization {substitute jehovah for god for any of these}.

gsark

hey, I had Ted Jarasz (sp) at mine. I actually enjoyed his talk and he spoke very well and walked on and off the platform on his own, but with a cane also. He didn't give the keynote address, but he gave the convention summary and the concluding prayer.

"Brothers and sisters, we thank Jehovah for...and for...and for... and" by this time I had to pee really bad. "And Jehovah we thank you for...and for....and for...." Brother Ted, I gots to pee. Isn't the idea of a concluding prayer to CONCLUDE the convention..."And we thank you Jehovah for...and for...and we ask for strength to resist pornography and other sorts of uncleaness...and for..."

Aside from standing with my legs crossed, I was imagining brother Ted being forcibly hauled away between 2 big beefy brothers, and another brother at the podium saying.."And now for the conclusion of Brother Jarasz's concluding prayer..."

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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friends to no one

by cathy4school in

when you are in the jw's you assume you have lots of true friends who will be there for you.

wrong!

nothing could be farther from the truth then that statement.

gsark

This doesn't help you much with your most likey, but for what it's worth,

where you personally are concerned, the Watchtower/your husband/best friend's loss is our gain.

Keep coming back,

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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Really Simple question for the fundys

by hippikon in

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really simple question for the fundys.

why is god invisible?

gsark

God, I love this board and the people on it

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Reasons why I hate the JW's...

by TheApostleAK in

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i've witnessed these all...unfortunately... this is for all here who aren't jw's or xjw's.

this is what the jw's r really like.... problem: get rid of the crusty old geezers doing privledges.

example: the old has-beens who think they are elders and can boss people around.. problem: the thing where u have to ask the elders for everything.. example: in the literature room there was a box of old books, of which were books i needed to plug up gaps in my collection.

gsark

Anybody remember reading about the great social event of the century "THE CRUSADES'. Like the wise man said, nothing new under the sun. Yesterday, today and tomorrow...

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Really Simple question for the fundys

by hippikon in

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really simple question for the fundys.

why is god invisible?

gsark

Like Philo said and this also:

If God were visible, we'd go looking for an invisible God, and we'd never be able to find one so we'd be all frustrated and brokenhearted and die.

God being invisible, we all go looking for a visible God, and there are plenty candidates available (ask any Israelite) so it gets overwhelming and so we get all frustrated and brokenhearted and die.

Aren't you glad you aren't my husband...

Now where'd I put that gawsh-dang shovel...

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!st Century door-door question

by philo in

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anybody know about hospitality customs in jesus day?.

if the custom was to invite everyone who called inside your home for milk and cookies, and if it was rude to refuse this hospitality - the door-door ministry must have been sooo sloooow.. whatdja fink?.

philo

gsark

Yeah, I can just see taking a year to cover territory the size of an average city block this way!

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How Many IN, OUT, etc.

by troubled in

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i'm wondering how many here are "active jws," "inactive jws," "x-jws," or "never jws.".

i don't mean to be nosy.

i'm just wondering how many are in a situation like mine (still in, but struggling).

gsark

I was 'in' for 12 years, 'out' for 13 or so, and I was df'd, so doubts or struggling were never an issue.

This wasn't your question but I would like to add; the turning point for me was when I did research I discovered that the JW have been claiming persecution here in the US for Jehovah/Jesus name when in truth they have been persecuted for:

Blood TRANSFUSION policy

ALTERNATIVE MILITARY SERVICE policy

SHUNNING policy

25 cent tax in MALAWI policy

going door to door SELLING LITERATURE TAX FREE policy

disfellowshipping women for being RAPED (untill 1993) and children for being MOLESTED (still in effect) or for SPEAKING about it policy

Oral sex (untill recently)and masturbation policy (still in effect)

No JW can show you these things in Scripture THEY ARE INFERRED, THEY ARE MAN-MADE POLICIES WHICH COST PEOPLE THEIR LIVES.

tHESE POLICES ARE ALSO ALL THE RESULT OF NEW LIGHT, since these issues didn't exist in the early days of the Bible Students. They are CREATED by man issues, and if you hadn't noticed they mostly effect young men and women, children and women. The GB never invent policies that affect themselves. DUH!

Thanks for letting me rant. You want specific references for this stuff, be happy to point the way.

And speaking just for me, no doubts or struggling involved, this is CRAP. What's so FAITHFUL and DISCREET about this stuff! So much for Acts 15:28, 29.."I favor adding no further burden to you"...

HAH!

Life is a roller coaster. Get in, sit down, shut up and hang on!

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"Christmas Star" was Satan's doing?

by reagan_oconnor in

i was talking with my husband the other day about the jw's belief that the "christmas star" that guided the magi to christ was the doings of satan.

he didn't believe me; this is what i found in the "my book of bible stories" (copied verbatim from cd-rom).

who do you think made that new star to shine?

gsark

Didn't somebody go back in celestial time and figure out that there 'was' some kind of 'event' right around then? I'll go look on the Web when I have time.

And wasn't it normal for people to navigate by the stars at night?