Posts by gumby

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Christians, what's so great about Jesus?

by sleepy in

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christians, what's so great about jesus?.

why do so many people feel the need to base their life on a person, they have never met, did not write any of the works on his life, and has enormous claims made about him that can not be proved to be true?.

sounds just like following the governing body of jehovahs witnesses to me.. can anyone give me a good reason for me putting trust in this man?

gumby

Did Jesus ever exist you ask?
How many who responded here has really dug into this subject?

This bothered me for a long time and I wanted a answer with some PROOF.

I went to a Christian bookstore and looked around for a book on the subject of the authenticity of the Bible.

I was shown a book called "EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT " by Josh McDowell.

It has a chapter in it on why we can believe in a historical and biblical Jesus.

If it is truly a matter of life or death to know.......why not investigate it more....and pray about it....even if your not sure you believe.

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the true religion

by forgetmenot in

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i have heard this comment from a few jw's in the past, "i became a jehovah's witness because you'll never find anything better.

let's propose that (for a second :)) they are the closest thing to the "true religion".

didn't the bible say something like don't listen to any false profits not "find the false profit that is the closest to the truth and follow him/her"?

gumby

Quote:...There ain't no "true religion" in the sense that God gives the understanding of truth to one generation or group of people and withholds it from another. How arrogant to claim that you've got THE truth.

Amen Francois! What are all these ones meaning by truth? What is TRUTH to them?

Having MORE doctrines correct than all the others?

Living CLEANER lives than the rest?

They are NICER than the rest?

Jesus said "I am truth" not somebody, or something. He was TRUTH and all those "who would believe in him would have life".

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Wow! I'm so glad I found you all.

by curlers in

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i was raised 3rd generation dub.

my dad is an elder as his dad was and my brother and the other brother is ms on the way to elderhood.

i'm df for 21 years when i was 20. the only credit i can give my parents is they're crazy would be whether they were catholic, buddist or atheist.

gumby

Hi Curlers and a big welcome!

There have been so many new ones lately. It really makes some who have been here longer, happy that many are finding a place to come to hear "THE REAL STORY"....You will find many who share your pain and similar experiances.

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Is homosexuality wrong?

by forgetmenot in

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i know that the dub's view is that it is totally wrong.

i live in an area where the majority of people think it is wrong.

i don't think it is wrong (but i am not a homosexual).

gumby

Abbadon..Quote...as you disagree with a particular choice, and need to judge people who disagree with your opinion.

When I speak of my opinion on a matter...this does not equal "JUDGING anyone. Everytime someone on this board speaks against something does not mean they have cast them off forever.
Only God can JUDGE a persons worth, for only HE knows the heart.

Granted....there are SOME on the board who may JUDGE but this does not apply to ALL who speak against something.

My analogy of a man being faithful to his wife when he might WANT someone else was to show SELF CONTROL would be a criteria for one who had tendancies to do something NOT RIGHT.

To me......it is NOT RIGHT.
This thread asked for opinions......I gave mine......why complain of my response?

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Is homosexuality wrong?

by forgetmenot in

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i know that the dub's view is that it is totally wrong.

i live in an area where the majority of people think it is wrong.

i don't think it is wrong (but i am not a homosexual).

gumby

Quote: "If you fall in love with a person of a different race, religion, country or same sex you don't chose to fall in love with that person, you just do.

So...you don't choose to? Really? Let's say this happens...
I am married and love my wife. Where I work a real cutie gets hired in my department and she is beautiful and sweet.

I start to have feelings for her as time goes on. What should I do? Go with those feelings and let it happen? It feels so natural and right to fall for her and I feel so good when I am around her.

Well... I could do two things
1. Fall for this girl and destroy my marrage to the woman who loves me.
2.Repress my thoughts about someone I have no buisness getting involved with, and telling myself of all the reasons this would be wrong.

Maybe I should do as one poster said Rosie O'donnel did. She tried women and men and said women felt more right.

So what should I do? Do what "I" "feel" is right?

Do people here really think we should do what "feels right" about this subject?
How many times are our feelings wrong and out of line because of imperfection?

Not a whole lot said here about self control in areas when we are out of line.
How many married men and women are on this board have not "wanted" someone else? What do you do with these feeling's......give in or correct yourself?

Should a homosexual give in to it cause it feels right or they want it that way? We all cannot give in to desires because it feels natural , or right to us. Some things are NOT right.

So many people today believe to listen to an authority on our lives is a loss of freedom. They feel we should do as we please with no judge or authority over us.So for them to be and practice homosexuality is justified.

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Sheep and Goats

by KistByQpid in

i am familiar with the parable, as found in matthew.

however, i don't understand the jw take on this one.

jw's like to think of themselves as "sheep" and perhaps someone slamming the door in thier face a "goat.

gumby

Refusing literature or not taking the time to listen to the publishers presentation is the same as turning your nose up at Jehovah.....hence, you are a goat.

They can judge you as one since Jesus gave the example of a goat.
He said those who would not hear the word and believe it were goats.

Since their teaching's are handed down from Jesus, then when a householder refuses you...they have refused Jesus.

Thats all I haaaaaaaaaaave to say.

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the end of this system

by rnovello in

so when do the jws tell now that the end is to come since the other dates were wrong, anyone know?

gumby

When will the end come?

Jesus said no one knows the time but it will come ....AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.

If he himself said this....why would we try and guess when this would be?

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What - if any - Religon are you now practicing?

by lydia in

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i know this seems like a dumb subject.. but i often wonder if many of us still believe and feel the need to worship - and not the borg either .

so here is a poll.... what religious orginization - if any - are you affiliated ( this does not mean you had to join it)?.

or - do you feel that everything is wrong due to the borg..and will you ever consider going to an organized religon again??.

gumby

Amazing: I cannot, for example, accept his demand that Israel not Murder (one of the Ten Commandments), yet order Israel to kill off other tribes, including women, children, and even babies. That is very confusing, and all the argumnents in God's favor to date seem rather pathetic.

This is one of the things I myself would like to look into more......

One day soon I would like to post an explanation on this subject as this subject has been one of the biggest reason for doubting God/Bible
on this board.

I also am Christian with no organized religion in my life although I attend a good church but choose not to get "INVOLVED" to heavily.
I like to learn the word there, and encourage others, and enjoy fellowship.

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Show your true colors

by Elsewhere in

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yes, i know this is off topic but..... http://www.communityseed.org/html/untitled.html.

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"as every one knows, there are mistakes in the bible" - the watchtower, april 15, 1928, p. 126 .

gumby

Test only

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WT May 1st - Watch out for traitors in our midst!

by dmouse in

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another thread on the wt may 1st 2002 issue.. jehovah hates the course of treachery.

in a thinly veiled attack on the likes of youknow the society issues this proclamation to jws who dare to say anything out of line with the watchtower bullshit and tossers society:.

10. are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips?

gumby

"we could be tempted to weave personal preferences or opinions"

Whose opinions do the writers of this material have? Are they THEIR personal opinions?
If it is Jehovah's opinions...then he has purposly made many mistakes.