The guy at the meeting simply stated that the WT does not believe that jesus was ever a king before 1914 (I guess this is the current light from the WT) and he was not publically corrected in his thinking but was allowed to continue to believe this as part of WT doctrine .Now I am looking at Ephesians 1:19-23 which undoubtedly speaks of jesus as being the highes authority in heaven and earth , even mentioning this system as well as the next.
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JW's deny jesus as being king before 1914
by heathen ini ventured to the local hall here last week and when time to discuss the watchtower a guy made a comment that the wt only believes that jesus became king in 1914.now i have read the bible and do have an interest in what it says despite my handle on this site and i have noticed that the apostles made clear that christ was king of heaven and earth in their day at least until the last apostle died .this just looks like typical crap that would only lead me to further arguement with them and in the end being demonized .anyone else with thoughts on the subject ?
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JW's deny jesus as being king before 1914
by heathen ini ventured to the local hall here last week and when time to discuss the watchtower a guy made a comment that the wt only believes that jesus became king in 1914.now i have read the bible and do have an interest in what it says despite my handle on this site and i have noticed that the apostles made clear that christ was king of heaven and earth in their day at least until the last apostle died .this just looks like typical crap that would only lead me to further arguement with them and in the end being demonized .anyone else with thoughts on the subject ?
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My arguement is more about if jesus was considered the ruler of heaven and earth prior to the end of the gentile times such as what philippians says at 2:9-11 and various other places.Rebel - The Wt teaches that we are in the time of the conclusion of this system of things not that jesus has taken control of world affairs.Also if I remember correctly they consider being in the org. as some sort of spirtual paradise.
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WT was right, video games teach violence....
by BeelzeDub in.
... and it all started with pong!.
http://www.novagate.net/~riff42/pong.swf.
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Man you killed me that one hahahahahahahahh lol .yeah I did read the recent awake magazine about video games . I have to say that as long as people are sitting in their living room acting out violence on a game screen means they aren't out in public acting out violence I think this is a no win arguement from the WT.
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Are You A People Person Or Do You Need Your Space?
by minimus insome people need to be surrounded with"friends" to make themselves feel good.others love their independence and prefer to be away from others.
what type of person are you?
or do you tend to be away from the action?
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f@#k off . lol
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What else do people fall for?
by sleepy inwhat other scams ,schemes and crazy stuff do people fall for apart from becoming jehovahs witnesses?do you know of things to watch out for that some others may not be well informed enought about to know the problems involved?
homoeopathy is one.companies making millions out of the suffering of desperate people and selling them suger and water.
the only effect homoeopathy can have is a placebo one that may cause you to be more relaxed and less stressed due to the belief you are being cured, which will aid recovery,but that would just happen if you were lied to by your doctor.
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Watch out for the free porn ads .lol
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JW's deny jesus as being king before 1914
by heathen ini ventured to the local hall here last week and when time to discuss the watchtower a guy made a comment that the wt only believes that jesus became king in 1914.now i have read the bible and do have an interest in what it says despite my handle on this site and i have noticed that the apostles made clear that christ was king of heaven and earth in their day at least until the last apostle died .this just looks like typical crap that would only lead me to further arguement with them and in the end being demonized .anyone else with thoughts on the subject ?
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Rebel- I know what you are talking about . The WT explains that the scripture about those not dying until they see jesus glorified in his kingdom is related to the passage where jesus is transfigured and the appearance of elijah and moses before some of the apostles takes place.Mark 9:2-4. That is a bit confusing as to when the 1000 year reign would start that is correct from what I've seen the WT teaches that the reign starts after armaggedon but we are living in a time of his invisible pressence as far as the anointed class it is arguementitive as to whether they have taken their possition as co rulers at this time .REV-6:9-11 suggests that they don't until the last of the remnant is slaughterd on account of the preaching work. I have also heard the WT explaination of this as meaning they only die as far as being part of the world but this makes no sence to me .
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Meetings 2 much like enimas to go anymore.....
by WingCommander inyeah, you heard me.
the meetings are too darn much like having an enima to even bother to go anymore.
i get the same message from only attending about 8 meetings a year to hold me over.
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They look like they need enimas they are so anal retentive it's unbelievable.
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butalbee - Is there bad sex ?
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Baptism: minute detail but missing the spirit
by Simon injust a thought about how the wts handles baptisms .... it's strange isn't it that they pay such minute attention to detail for the actual baptism itself - someone scrutinises the whole event and should anyone's big toe sticks out the water then they get dunked again.. why?.
do they think getting completely covered is some magical spiritual thing?.
do they suppose that god wouldn't accept it if someone unnoticed didn't go under completely?.
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other things that I find peculiar about the way they deal with baptism is that from what I read baptism was one of those things that was considered to take place prior to being indoctrinated, these people want you to wait 6months to a year before they consider you a candidate .
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Who is Christ?
by Kurt inthis is a question for an active witness.
do witnesses believe jesus is the christ, the predicted messiah?
if not, is messiah still to come?.
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Good point hooberus this looks like yet another wt blunder that has gone unchallenged because people are beat over the head with the concept that they are sheep to be led by a bunch of hypocrites in brooklyn.