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  The future for the WT...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  sociologically speaking as a religion, the jw's are at a threshold of continued cultishness and obscurity, or re-oriontation to a more 'mainline' christian religion with its own unique distinctiveness.

  i say the wt will take the middle ground....

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  hybridous

  Care to expostulate?

  What exactly is the 'middle ground'? I'm having a tough time imagining one.
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  Field Service Physical Humiliation

  by ashitaka in

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  what physical humiliation did you suffer in field service?.

  i froze my little hands off in the winter and sweated until i got headaches in the summer....got yelled at if i complained about it....even if i was so hot or cold that i got sick afterwards.. at times it was like calculated torture.. you?

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  As a kid, I was forced to go knocking on doors around the corner from my house. Tough enough, but this was in the dead of a long, cold winter.

  My service partner, and I (not yet even teenagers), went to a certain house on a particularly cold and nasty Saturday morning. Before we could finish the presentation (aka - sales pitch), the woman at the door shook her head in disbelief...

  'I can't believe they send you kids out on days like this.'

  Without missing a beat, my young partner replies...

  'They're not sending us - this is OUR CHOICE!'

  Hmmm, maybe that was his choice. It certainly wasn't mine, at least not on that brutal day. Therefore, there was no way it was OUR choice...

  And that's how we were taught to lie for God. Just like good JW children should.
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  WT U-Turn on "Great Crowd" (May 1, 20...

  by stevieb1 in

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  the following is taken from questions from readers p.31 of the my 1, 2002 watchtower.

  it is the wt response to the question: "when john saw the "great crowd" rendering sacred service in jehovah's temple, in which part of the temple were they doing this?".

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  Hmmm, if the WTS is getting ready to amend this particular part of the 'truth', then they may go '2-for-1', so-to-speak.

  What I mean is, if they're gonna say that the members of the great crowd may actually entertain a hope for heaven, they may change the official understanding of 144,000 from a literal number to a figurative one.

  This could help them to deal with the (claiming to be) annointed 'excess' that exists. Without just refuting them, the WTS will allow for their heavenly hope and keep them 2nd. class. That way, the R&F can avoid the inevitable discomfort when some 20 year old looney-toon starts telling everyone at the KH he/she's a special one. The R&F can pretend to buy the crazy's claim, since now WT theology allows for an unknown number of annointed.

  I really could imagine this happening, it seems like just another innocent 'change of understanding' which the R&F would swallow without too much trouble, while they ignore the huge implications of such a chamge.

  Sounds crazy, yes? No? What do you think?
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  Adam Resurrected?

  by joelbear in

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  friday says adam will be resurrected?

  i thought he was the cause of all the trouble the world is in?.

  i thought the ultimate test was for a perfect man to decide whether or not they would submit to god's rule?.

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  Ya, I seem to remember being told that Adam and Eve would NOT be resurrected, since as perfect people, their sin was totally their choice - no imperfections to blame it on.
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  watch what you ask about!

  by zev in

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  i posted this in another thread.... i wanted to give it its due concideration..... i wish to share a small tid-bit of something that came to "light" last week.

  it shows how underhanded and sneeky the little trolls are, and they even know they are.. an issue came up recently in a watchtower over a certain number of years that was mentioned in a w.t.

  the actual years in the bible was different.

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  Ha, so much for 'making sure of all things'.

  By now, many of the elders are quite aware of the 'soft-spots' in JW theology. The info is all over the net, what can they do? They have no defence for most of their lies, so their best bet is to attack the person posing the questions...

  You come across a JW lie or falsehood (a matter of perspective, I guess), and you are suspected of a mind-crime. What does the average JW learn? Shut the hell up. You said it, 'watch what you ask about'.

  The brainwashing continues. For some. How long can the average JW reconcile worshiping Jehovah (God of Truth) in a cult of ignored lies?
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  Man Has a Soul. What do You Believe Now?

  by Treborr Jones in

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  i was just wondering if the ex-jw's here now believe you have a soul, or do you still hold on to the borgs claims of man/woman not having a soul.

  i for one know we do.

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  Skimmer, that sounds like a combination of JW and traditional Christian doctrine.

  The questions now raised are:

  1. Where and what were my soul before I had this body? Did I exist?

  2. Does your premise hold for all creatures on this planet? From apes, dogs and cats, down to paramecium and bacteriophages and such...if not, where's the cut-off point?

  Not playing around with you, but these are real questions that I ask.
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  Man Has a Soul. What do You Believe Now?

  by Treborr Jones in

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  i was just wondering if the ex-jw's here now believe you have a soul, or do you still hold on to the borgs claims of man/woman not having a soul.

  i for one know we do.

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  I always thought that this particular JW teaching had some credibility. I always defined a soul as a 'piece' of life, as a human or animal. And when a human or animal dies, that particular 'piece' of life is extinguished.

  Over the years though, I've taken that premise to its logical conclusion and come up on some tough questions. If a man or a dog is a soul (a 'piece' of life, that is), what about single celled organisms? And if single celled organisms are souls, what about the millions and millions of cells that make up a more complex organism, like a human or a dog? Do every one of my body cells have a soul, or are they a soul? And what about the person called Hybridous? Is my soul a conglomerate of all those millions of souls of my cells? There's really no end to the questions.

  May I ask how you know that I have a soul?
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  Did You Join the Borg to Rescue a Loved One?

  by Ray Skyhorse in

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  i'm not a jw (and never have been) and my wife is in the borg.

  she was assmimilated about 12 years ago.

  i also have a 5 month old son.. my question is, has anyone ever joined the borg with the intent of trying to get a son/daughter/wife/etc.

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  Wow. You are considering a 'suicide mission' of sorts. I don't know anyone who has done this, but that doesen't maen it hasn't happened.

  Just remember, you would have to maintain the facade of all facades. I don't see how anyone could keep that up year after year. And when you get to the point where you can't keep going, it will be tougher on you & your family then if you hadn't started at all.

  I can understand what you want to do, but I don't understand what advantage you would gain by joining. If you or anyone else can think of one, please explain. I think that it would be a tremendous DISadvantage. You are where you want to be (and where you want the family to be)...on the outside. My advice is : don't make things harder than they are already. Do your research, ask the right questions at the right times, but keep your distance from the cult.
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  Anointed?.... Only in your head

  by Patriot in

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  hi to all the old friends.

  its been to long, about a year since my last post as " maverick".

  anyway "hi" to the old timers like amazing, seeker, esmeralda, m2u, truthexodus, unclebruce,worf and many more too many to list.

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  I may be mistaken about this - so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but...

  I think that official WT teaching makes a distinction between 'Annointed' and the FDS. Just because someone, somewhere claims to be 'Annointed', doesen't mean that he/she is given an ounce of consideration by WT leadership (just ask Amazing). I believe that the official WT teaching is : the FDS consists of only those few individuals who sit in positions of WT leadership, not all individuals in all congregations who partake of the bread & wine.

  And really, could they have it any other way? Could you imagine the WT trying to conduct business as usual under constant fire from every nut who believes that their opinion counts?! At least this way - everyone knows where they stand...at the bottom.
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  death and its punishment

  by NinjaBen in

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  if the theory of "when we die god had a meaning for us to go" or "it was our turn to go" does that mean that if i were to kill someone (hypetheticaly speaking) than i was just carrying out gods will and doing his work.. if so why should i be punished.

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  Good question, NinjaBen.

  I have a born-again friend who makes references of 'God calling him when his time is up' - or something along those lines...I guess the implication is that God's Will dictates the time of our death (accidents and otherwise).

  I asked him if this would (logically) extend to ALL people and circumstances, specifically, babies and children who die in car crashes and such. Would God's Will include disasters that claim innocent lives? Because if God chooses the time and circumstance of your death, what about everyone else? He mumbled about how such innocents would go straight to heaven, but no answer to the real question - did God ultimately plan and cause such 'untimely' deaths?

  And he wonders why I don't want to go to his church whith him...