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  Does the name Jehovah actually exist in the original Hebrew language?

  by Yizuman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  source: http://www.familybible.org/articles/messianic/jehovah.htm.

  well, then, where did the word jehovah come from?.

  thus the artificial name jehovah came into being.. (yahweh, the new encyclopedia britannica, vol.

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  PS, how is it not a translation? Who says it isn't a translation?

  Do people who say Jehovah mean the same entity as Ancient

  Hebrews who wrote the tetragram? I think certainly think so.

  Do people who say Jesus today mean the same person as those

  who pronounced the name in Greek, or Hebrew, or Aramaic or

  even Latin in Jesus own day? I think certainly think so.

  The pronunciation issue is a very misunderstood point and this

  thread is being discussed by people who persist in making stupid

  points. I'm really getting fed up with the nonsense.

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  Does the name Jehovah actually exist in the original Hebrew language?

  by Yizuman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  source: http://www.familybible.org/articles/messianic/jehovah.htm.

  well, then, where did the word jehovah come from?.

  thus the artificial name jehovah came into being.. (yahweh, the new encyclopedia britannica, vol.

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  cattails

  Jehovah is the English transliteration of the Hebrew letters for God's name.

  There is no "Jesus" in Hebrew or Greek, there's no Peter, those are English

  names. They are approximate transliterations of the names so that they fit

  in with English pronunciations... In Spanish the name of God is pronounced

  Hay-Oh-BAH, and Jesus as Hay-SOOS, and Peter is Pay-DROH.

  So the pronunciation isn't important if the people know who you're referring to

  and if that's the way it is traditionally pronounced in that particular language.

  So it may have been Yahweh in Ancient Hebrew, but it's ok to say Jehovah in

  modern English, and Jehová (pronounced Hay-Oh-BAH) in modern Spanish.

  The thing with the substitution of vowels doesn't matter, Hebrew pronunciation

  today isn't what it was in Abraham's, nor Moses, not even King David's day.

  Heck, English pronunciation today has changed from what it was through

  the centuries... (It's a you say toe-may-doe I say toe-mah-toe kind of thing).

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  1942 Consolation on Beth Sarim PDF

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the may 27, 1942 consolation (the precusor to awake!

  ) contained a lengthy 16 page article about the failed attempts of the watchtower society to bury judge rutherford at his beloved home in san diego, beth sarim.

  it contains a fascinating look into the place beth sarim held for jws during this period.

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  cattails

  You can get the view on street level and do a walk-about the block in Google Street View.

  Just go to the link posted and grab the little orange human figure and drag the circle under

  his (I'm assuming the little orange dude is a guy) feet and dump it on the street you want to

  virtually walk through. It's pretty cool.

  http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=woodrow+united+methodist+church,+staten+island,+ny&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&cid=0,0,6903502942454520195&ei=YJtbSrnZHIHANdDb0EI&z=16&iwloc=A

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  What Religion Are You?

  by homeschool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see that there are many people on here who've left the jw's and are still christians...but i wonder what type?

  non denominational?

  has anyone changed to something completely different like hindu or buddhism?

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  cattails

  The kind of religion spoken of at James 1:27.

  I consider myself first of all a Christian (albeit

  oppressed by WT weeds here and there).

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  The most absurd comments yet about oral sex !!!

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i visited a kh today with my wife and the brother who gave the public talk.

  said that there is so much unnatural use of the sex organs by the world's.

  youth, that the medical field is encouraging all parents with children 12 years.

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  It helps if you don't pay attention to the speaker while he's talking.

  That's exactly right!

  I found out by trial and error that if you don't pay attention your

  retention rate of points covered in the outline of the talk is the same

  exactly 1/2 hour after listening to the Public Talk at a Kingdom Hall.

  Actually by taking a learned guess after hearing the title you can

  paraphrase most of the content of the talk even without attending.

  The talks are mostly the same information over and over by different

  guys. The only thing that wakes people up is throwing out inflamatory

  statements like oral sex will cause cancer, but the risk is that now

  everyone in the hall is mentally picturing the act of oral sex while the

  speaker moves on to the same old repeated points from the outline.

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  My Assignment For Ray Franz

  by sacolton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i met the widow of ed dunlap, who was of the watchtower writing committee and a great thinker.

  he found that the watchtower was not in harmony with the scriptures, so they disfellowshipped him.

  when ray franz was disfellowshipped, it was ed who took him in and gave ray a job and a place to stay.

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  From Ray Franz's books this is what I remember about him. He wasn't one of the Governing Body members, but rathar,

  Ed Dunlap was in charge of the Gilead School for many years. He also was into writing for the Society. Like the Choosing book

  and the Commentary on James. He gave classes to Gileadites and IIRC the letter of Romans was his specialty. Nathan Knorr didn't

  seem to like him much, Ed had a problem with a nerve in his face and forehead that contracted and twitched considered very painful

  and debilitating when it would flare up and Knorr thought it was a fake illness and took him off from assignments and put in in

  the boundary moving boxes around which only made the problem worse. He suffered a lot. Then he was able to get medical help

  no thanks to the Society and an operation where they go deep and deaden the nerve, this worked and he was able to work back

  to getting his teaching and writing assignment reinstated. Ed had been having doubts about the two class system and

  about where the Great Crowd was according to Revelation. The Society did a witch-hunt and kicked him and his wife out

  of Bethel and disfellowshipped him as an Apostate because Ed disagreed with current WT doctrine on these points.

  The article on Wikipedia about Ray Franz used to have info on Ed's experience. Also there's a recording of him giving

  his experience on tape and the link is provided at an archived thread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/162072/1/Ed-Dunlap-Describes-His-Experience-In-The-1980-Bethel-Purge-2-Part-Audio

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  "Special" campaigns a cause of JW malaise?

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of the principal problems the wts has is, how do they motivate the rank & file witnesses to do more in the preaching work?.

  over the past 3-4 years, one thing they have tried is a series of "special" field service campaigns.

  two or three times a year, there is a concerted effort made to cover all the congregation's territory with district convention invitations, memorial invitations, "special" tracts, etc.. but, in effect, with these special campaigns comes along a subliminal message that the society expects, indeed demands, that it will be a colossal failure.. for example, consider the campaign to invite the public to the district convention.

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  I noticed at the two DCs I have been dragged to have had a lot of empty seats. If you were to squish everyone together a third or more of the rented facility would be empty.

  Hi Yknot.

  about a decade I go IIRC, we had these DO's come around Bro. Hurd an Bro. Bartell (sp?)

  The idea they seem to have had was to close off sections of the Circuit Assembly Hall or District

  Convention Arena, cordoned off actually. Everyone had to mush in and if you were a family of five

  lets say and you came in right before things got started, you were hunting and searching for

  a seat here and a seat there for yourself, your mate and kids.

  Some parents refused to be seated elsewhere once they found out after the first day that

  closed off sections would be opened if it seemed that more seats were needed so many

  families just waited at the hallway doors until their chosen section was opened. It was a

  fiasco.

  The poor attendants had a rebellion in their hands, meanwhile the Administration/Chairman's

  Office people fot the Convention are going around saying how nice it is to be maximizing the

  space and blah blah.

  Sorry I got off topic but this brought bad memories up as a kid.

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  Does anyone know what they do with all the information they have on you, from the time you were still a JW?

  by dutchstef in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone know what they do with all the information they have on you, from the time you were still a jw?.

  do they store it in a special file( the (e)x-files haha) and is there a way you can get a hand on it?.

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  DutchStef, hier is enige informatie die kan helpen.

  Check out this PDF file:

  2000 The Data Protection Act and the Body of Elders 181K

  at:

  http://www.watchtowerwiki.org/files/Data_Protection_Act_-_Meeting_2000_(ocr).pdf

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  Portuguese get jipped

  by JWinprotest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if anyone else has heard, but here in the portuguese district that covers southern ontario and montreal had their convention cut from 3 days to 2 days.

  when it was announced they told the congregation that they would be getting the same program in 2 days......but weeks later they were told that they could not take part in the invitation campaign because the theme of the public talk was printed on the flyer and they were not having a public talk.

  does anyone know the reason why they would do this to just this one group?

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  Hey JWip.

  Thanks for the info on what

  happened to the Portuguese

  groups. A PM is a private message

  Take a look at the upper right

  corner of this website when

  logged in you'll find if you

  click the little envelope you'll

  either get an error message

  or it will give you your private

  messages people sent you.

  Half the time I need to click

  on it several times before

  it finally gives the messages

  on screen... I think this is a

  special feature of the website

  to test and see if you really

  really really want your

  messages or not.

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  Could Watchtower Collapse Be Sooner Than You Think?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been a number of developments over the past few months and they paint an interesting picture.. witnesses can keep dragging themselves to meetings ad infinitum however, the future of the watchtower itself is another story.

  the evidence of continuing cash flow problems is now overwhelming.

  if you talk to well placed witnesses, most won't deny it but simply blame it on the publishers financial problems.. they have cut off loans to congregations many of whom genuinely need new kingdom halls.

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  cattails

  You are just so funny!

  Sounds like you'll come

  to a climax about it.

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