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  The Pope a JW...!!!

  by JWD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of the relatives on my father`s side were catholic.

  i still remember the first time i went to a high mass.

  it was a shock to my.

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  Jang

  You aren't the first one to see the parallels and won't be the last .....

  It is interesting that people often are like the people the put down the most ....

  Same for organizations .......

  JanG
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  No desire to be religious

  by TR in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when people hand out religious flyers, which a young man did today, i feel annoyed, like a salesman trying to hock his wares when i don't need what he's selling.. the young man and the church he represented were a lot less intrusive with their ministry than jw's, though.

  that's why it angers me to know that jw's go out of their way to disrupt peoples lives with a bogus religion at the prodding of the likes of the wts.

  it's like a yugo car salesman knocking on doors telling people how good the company is.

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  Jang

  Big difference TR, is that that young man was happy to give you the leaflet and then leave it in
  your hands without coming back and back at you until you relented.

  Christians in churches (well most of them anyway) believe that they can give you a leaflet like
  that, and if you read it then the Holy Spirit will do the rest. Only the cult-like groups will hound you
  into the waters of baptism

  I agree that religion is a snare and a racket ..... but real Christianity is not a religion ..... and a
  Christian is not supposed to be religious .....

  JanG
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  Conventions & "Apostates"

  by patio34 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just throwin' this on the table:.

  who are those people outside of the conventions every year with signs?

  we always called them apostates, but who knew?

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  Jang

  As TR said, they are xjws like us who are willing and able to speak out publicly.

  We did a picket a few years back and our phone message for JW's rang off the hook for days - they
  all seemed to be busy writing down the number and we sent out lots of info packets

  I was also involved in one outside Bethel in Brooklyn when I was there in 1990. All the Dubs were
  so busy trying to look but not be seen looking ......

  I think it is important that they know that there are others out there ..... and I have heard from a
  few who rememered us being there and contacted us when they came out.

  The internet has made a difference and now it is easier for Dubs to get info - a lot easier that
  when we could only do it with leaflet drops and pickets.

  JanG
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  True Organization

  by littleone in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (here is an article that russell &c wrote the year 1884 in zion's watchtower):.

  our name.. new readers in all parts of the country are constantly inquiring:.

  by what name do you call yourselves?

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  Jang

  Russell would be disfellowshipped today for that!!!!

  Interesting eh?

  JanG
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  new here

  by jurs in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been a witness for 6 years.

  when a sweet pioneer sister came to my door and i started studying i never thought i would become a witness.

  21/2 years of studying i did get baptized.

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  Jang

  Yet it takes me by surprise how quickly ,once I let myself question ,that I've fallen out. I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off me.Y'know at Matthew 11:28 about those who are toiling and being loaded down....thats how I felt. I feel so liberated.

  Jur ..... I know we all can fully empathize!

  On my web page there is a lot of info that will help you find your feet again.

  http://caic.org.au

  Hugs and welcome to life!

  JanG
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  Can anyone confirm this WT Quote?

  by TR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  :"the apostle paul was spearheading the christian missionary.

  activity.

  he was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed.

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  Jang

  It is the original paper copy but changed in the volume.

  JanG
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  I ate meat on Friday

  by chester in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was raised as a catholic.

  it used to be considered a sin to eat meat on friday.

  even for a little boy who was at the age of reason.. i remember very well the time when i was in the second grade about the age of 7 that i did eat a hot dog on a friday.. i knew that it was a sin but i ate it anyway.

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  Jang

  Interesting that you felt that badly when you ate that hot dog. I was taught that if I was so hungry that
  I could eat the meat, as long as I did not want to do it deliberately.

  There were dispensations to the rule, but obviously no one told you about them .... sad because you
  felt so fearful as a result.

  Good to see you are out and here's to you being able to shake off all the shackles as they arise.

  JanG
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  Hi

  by heff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been lurking around here for quite some time now, posted a few short replies, and engaged in a little chat from time to time.

  its almost hard to remember, just a few months back, feeling like i was the only one to live through a jw experience and not be sorry that i am no longer a part of it.

  i am very happy to have found this site.. i would like to better introduce myself as i have seen several others do.. i was born in '78 to a fanatical jw mother and an unbelieving alcholic father.

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  Jang

  Heff, it is good that you have spoken up. We can support you better if we know where you are
  coming from.

  Those of us who ahve been out a while can assure you that the day will come when you won't
  cringe every time someone tells a JW joke .... you will be able to hold your head up high and even
  laugh at them and yourself.

  On my web page I have lots of info that will help you cope better with what you have been through.

  http://www.caic.org.au/zleaving.htm

  Hang in there Heff. It does get better ..... time doens't heal .... but the passing of time makes
  the pain pass to a very dull ache.

  JanG
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  Common Psychological Problems of Mind Manipulatio

  by Jang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  common psychological problems of mind manipulation:.

  the following problems and emotions are common with survivors.

  these are all normal emotions and will pass as you recover.. keeping a journal and sorting one's overwhelming feelings is most healing and helps work through feelings of betrayal and abuse.

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  Jang

  Common Psychological Problems of Mind Manipulation:

  The following problems and emotions are common with survivors. These are all normal emotions and will pass as you recover.

  Keeping a journal and sorting one's overwhelming feelings is most healing and helps work through feelings of betrayal and abuse. Finding someone to listen non-judgmentally and empathetically to your abusive experience is also a vital part.

  Feeling of Spiritual Rape of the Soul

  Enormous Feelings of Betrayal

  ** Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - [trauma becomes crystallized a few days after a traumatic event, such as exiting acult] (several of a cluster of symptoms can develop, including spontaneous crying, suicidal thoughts, emotional numbing, phobias, social withdrawal, flashbacks, amnesia, anxiety, depression, shame, guilt, self-loathing, fear of going insane.)

  Identity Confusion/disorientation (the pre-cult personality--or real self--struggles with the in-cult personality that was imposed by the cult) (there can be difficulty integrating the cultic world with the outside world)

  Dissociation (not being in touch with reality or those around them; inability to communicate)

  Floating (getting triggered into cult mode, flashbacks into the cult mind-set; thoughts of returning to the cult)

  Panic and Anxiety Attacks

  Obsessive Thoughts

  Depression

  Psychosomatic Symptoms (head/backaches, asthma, skin rash, lethargy)

  Problems or Inability in Making Decisions (because of the dependency fostered by the cult)

  Inability to Concentrate (with short-term memory loss)

  Fear ("What if I am wrong?" "What if harmful events actually do happen?" "I can't ever be happy outside the group." Includes phobias & fear going crazy because of "floating")

  Grief & Sense of Loss (grieving loss of innocence, idealism, spirituality, self-esteem, pride; sense of purpose, meaning and belonging in life; support system; friends and family lost in cult; loss of time, goals and youth.

  Guilt/Shame (for getting involved, for the people they recruited, things done while in the group; for leaving)

  Lack of Trust (of group situations; deep suspicions about others motives and attitudes)

  Intense Loneliness (strong & unique bonds were forged in the cult)

  Sense of Purposelessness & Disconnection (missing the peak experiences of the group)

  Sense of Isolation/Alienation ("No one understands what I am going through.")

  Overly Critical of Oneself and Others (due to incorporating the harsh attitudes of the cult leader)

  Seeing Everything in Black and White (cults do not teach to look for the gray areas)

  Problems Having Boundaries (boundaries were violated time and again in the cult until one lost sense of which boundaries were appropriate)

  Lack of Self-Esteem & Feelings of Worthlessness (cult leaders continually blame members)

  Sleep Disorders (including nightmares and insomnia)

  Eating Disorders

  Sexuality Problems

  Fear of Intimacy and Commitment

  Harassment and Threats

  Anger or Rage (toward the group & leader; towards oneself; suppression of anger in the cult actually contributed to depression and sense of helplessness)

  Problems with Career or Employment (because of years in the cult; lost job opportunities, etc.)

  Family Issues

  Spiritual (or philosophical) issues

  Impatience with the Recovery Process

  ** Complex Post-traumatic Stress Disorder: Judith Herman (author of Trauma and Recovery), along with others likes to use the this term for people who have suffered prolonged, repeated trauma. This disorder can be the result of months or years of subjection to totalitarian control.

  Compiled by Dee and Mike
  Exit & Support Network

  THE MOST DANGEROUS LIE IS THAT WHICH MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE TRUTH
  The price of freedom is eternal vigilance- for fear we imprison the mind
  C.A.I.C Ph. 61-(0)7-3216 8016
  Web Page: http://www.caic.org.au

  JanG
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  WERE ANIMALS MEANT TO BE VEGGYS?

  by uncle_onion in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would be very interested in any creationalists response to genesis 1:30 where the bible tells us that all animals wre originallly vegetarians.. why aren't they vegetarians now?

  what about gnats who only live on blood?.

  this to me brings up a lot of issues that can not be answered.

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  Jang

  If his translation of these verses is correct, then Genesis 1:30 does not refer to the diet of animals at all, and in fact actually teaches that God created mankind as omnivores."

  Then this would contradict the scripture that says that God allowed Noah to eat the animals after the "flood"?

  Ok ... so now we check the original in Genesis 9. When I read that I see him reiterating what he said originally.

  Notice that he says "I give these (beasts) to you as I give the herbs of the earth" ... at least that is how it reads in all my Hebrew versions.

  JanG