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  I guess I am no more a girlfriend in dilemma

  by DilemmaGF in

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  i think my boyfriend just dumped for jw.

  he is an inactive jw, he was the the one who started tp pursue the relationship and now he kind of shunning me.

  i don't why, maybe because he sensed that i am trying to tell him a lot about the true jesus and because he felt like he can't convert me, but that's okay, i understand.

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  xelder

  Welcome,

  Sounds like the young man is typical of young male confused JW's
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  2/15 WT - WTS Controls by Fear, Confusion, Separating Friends & Family

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  once again in a wt study article entitled " imitate jesus' example of watchfulness " the wt society tries to control jw members through fear mongering, confusing them by inconsistent and contradictory wording, and emphasizing devotion to wt society " sacred service " over devotion to family and friends.. we all know the wt society has always said that " nobody knows the day and hour " of the alleged armageddon - yet out of the same mouth the wt society claims to know the " day " of the end close enough to have duped people with 1975 and put fear into jw's that the " end " is " imminent" .

  notice these quotes from paragraph 4 in this article.

  it states, " in brief, jesus wants us to remain watchful because of what we know and what we do not know.

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  xelder

  Mr Flipper {sigh} my, my, my {shakes head},

  Dont you realize that Russell, Joe Rutherford, Knorr, Freddie, and Ted are all looking down at you from God's right hand and frowning?
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  What are the "Hebrew versions" of the Christian Greek Scriptures referred to in Appendix 1 of the New World Translation?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  appendix 1 of the new world translation is entitled "the divine name in the hebrew scriptures and in the christian greek scriptures "jehovah.

  " - hebrew (yhwh or jhvh)".

  it says in part: "to avoid overstepping the bounds of a translator into the field of exegesis, we have been most cautious about rendering the divine name in the christian greek scriptures, always carefully considering the hebrew scriptures as a background.

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  xelder

  http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=825:how-the-watchtower-society-has-kept-us-from-honoring-the-son&catid=106:sherry-jansma&Itemid=661

  Sherry Jansma explains it well
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  question for older ex-elders

  by scooterspank in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have only just begun to talk to my father about why he left the truth.

  i know why he stepped down as an elder many years ago but we have just scratched the surface about why he "faded" in his 60's i would say (he is now 74).

  i just wonder how much leaving the "truth" that much later in life has an effect on depression, anxiety, anger (he joined in his 30's)?

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  My wife and I both regretted the lifetime (50 years) in the Borg. We regretted what we trained our kids to be. But, we have helped our kids out of the Borg and have saved our grandkids from ever joining. I understand your dad's feelings. Everyone takes a unique path out of the Borg. Emotionally, mine differed from my wife, which differed from the kids, which differs from many of the posts on this forum. I think the key is education and accepting what idiots are the GB past and present. After that, it is an emotional process that can take time. Be glad if you save future generations the pain we suffered and the time we wasted. But also realise that some good moral qualities were learned (although they could have been learned elsewhere)
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  Fatherhood

  by xelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

  why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

  he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

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  xelder

  You are an awesome lady Mouthy, thanks for you comments
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  Fatherhood

  by xelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

  why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

  he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

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  thanks Mouthy......of course I appreciate your opinion.

  Prove to me that an angel exists, opposed to God, and wants people to worship him. Prove this without relying on words written by people trying to explain why bad things happen....(I consider their thoughts as mere guesses also)
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  In your opinion...

  by iamwhoiam in

  1. jw
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  ...why do people choose to fade over just sending in a letter?.

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  xelder

  Don't want to lose family, AND want to be available in contact when family begins to open their eyes.
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  Did You Know any JWs that Owned 3 Homes, Land, Luxury Cars, a boat, and a Motor Home?

  by LostGeneration in

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  2. friends

  another great paragraph from the new wt.

  interesting nothing noted about selling any of the items listed.

  i wonder if his name is andre?

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  how convenient that they went all in for God just as the economy was crashing anyway
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  Fatherhood

  by xelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

  why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

  he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

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  xelder

  If God exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it? Why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness? He has no duty to explain UNLESS HE WANTS ME TO LOVE HIM.

  The concept of God as a father totally escapes me. At best, he seems like many human fathers who pass on life, feed there kids, buy them toys, but never really invest love in the kids.

  As far as people in general go, I am a good father. I have a great relationship with my grown kids and also with the grandkids. I try to explain everything I possibly can to help them know me and the world around them. Why doesn't God fully explain himself? Wants me to beg more? My faith is low? How cruel. Why are his "chosen spokesmen" so full of crap?

  People don't want to die. They face mortality and want something else, something forever. They can't explain many things about life and nature and invent a system of beleifs to explain it all. They want others to confirm their beleifs and follow along. (helps feel secure). Some need to direct others to verify their own beliefs. What they can't prove they call faith. To explain immoral acts by God, they invent great long-term purposes of God.

  I much prefer science. I have found theories to be much more worthy than faith. I have found much more honesty and morality in science, (after sorting through religious propaganda about science)

  I have a right to DEMAND an explaination from a father who expects my love and devotion. I am happy to take that to my grave. And will.
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  when you were a jw did you believe in cavemen ?

  by looloo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was wandering round the natural history museum in london last week and saw the early man skeltons and learned about how they lived and what they ate etc and thought about the adam and eve who i was taught about at the kingdom hall that seemed to just ignore the fact that people lived many thousands of years ago and not just 6000 .

  as a jehovahs witness how did you feel about early man skeltons being found and the dinosaurs etc and how did you manage to explain it in your own mind never mind to anyone else ?

  i was told by an elder that if your given a plate of food and dont like something on the plate do you just leave it all ?

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  As a JW kid, my mom taught me that seashells found on mountaintops were from Noah's flood. We thought most scientists were part of a scheme to discredit God and purposefully printed anti-God theories with no basis. We were sure smart Freddie was smarter than all of them. (sigh)

  Geology and astronomy have taught me a lot....we were idiots

  I thought cavemen were monkey skeletons that scientists told wild stories about.