Posts by xelder

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Early Civilizations and Bible Chronology...Part 2

by xelder in

was away from my normal computer and so my two posts to start the first thread didn't show.. however, thanks to all who picked up the topic and commented shadesofgrey, sizemik, lars, designs, otwo, jwfacts.

since i never commented on my own thread, i thought i should and thank everyone.. adam's claimed date of creation of c. 4000 bc was mentioned, however, the bible would have everyone coming from noah at c. 2650 bc.

american civilizations are said to date prior to the usual biblical date of the flood.

xelder

Lars,

I post the following in all sincerety.

I have sincerely tried to search for God for 50 years. I have "groped for him to really find him". I have done so from an intellectual search, and from simplicity. I have prayed to Jehovah, prayed to Jesus, asked him to take over my life, to be used in any way he chooses. I have asked from the dark, dreary, basement of emotional lows when I begged to not have to wake up and face the following day. GOD DOES NOT TALK TO ME. HE DOESN'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS. (emphasis not yelling)

You "have more direct contact with the Holy Spirit"? It is not my place to doubt you, I respect you. But I don't get it if you are right.

Either I have a horrible heart and God "saves whomever he chooses"-Romans

Or, God is partial, in spite of Peter's claim otherwise as he began to convert Gentiles.

I'm glad that you have a confident spiritual place to be. God loves the "smart" ones and the simple right? But, as in the caves discussed, even though science admits an error factor in their calculations. They are quick to point out errors and dispute them and admit a range of dates. As for me, I see much less honesty when discussing issues with religuos people. And ultimately, the throw in the "well God tells me" line. It doesn't help the discussion advance. It's the same as the blindfolded GB sitting around on Wednesday morning throwing darts at a doctrinal dartboard.

Again, this is just me. I do respect your views and thanks for the comments. You sound like a great friend.

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Early Civilizations and Bible Chronology...Part 2

by xelder in

was away from my normal computer and so my two posts to start the first thread didn't show.. however, thanks to all who picked up the topic and commented shadesofgrey, sizemik, lars, designs, otwo, jwfacts.

since i never commented on my own thread, i thought i should and thank everyone.. adam's claimed date of creation of c. 4000 bc was mentioned, however, the bible would have everyone coming from noah at c. 2650 bc.

american civilizations are said to date prior to the usual biblical date of the flood.

xelder

Was away from my normal computer and so my two posts to start the first thread didn't show.

However, thanks to all who picked up the topic and commented ShadesofGrey, Sizemik, Lars, Designs, OTWO, JWfacts. Since I never commented on my own thread, I thought I should and thank everyone.

Adam's claimed date of creation of c. 4000 BC was mentioned, however, the Bible would have everyone coming from Noah at c. 2650 BC. American civilizations are said to date prior to the usual Biblical date of the flood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pre-Columbian_cultures It seems quite unlikely that the America's would be settled in such a short time since the likely route seems to be through Alaska.

The following is an example of C14 being confirmed by calcifications that have grown over cave paintings in Chauvet Cave in France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvet_Cave 20000 - 35000 years ago. Netflix has a great documentary about the cave.

In light of these (as well as many, many other) examples, I just can't take Bible chronology seriously. All life we know came from c 2650 after Noah's flood? Not to mention, how did Penguins get to Antarctica?

Thanks again in advance for all your comments, and for keeping it respectful.

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I guess I am no more a girlfriend in dilemma

by DilemmaGF in

i think my boyfriend just dumped for jw.

he is an inactive jw, he was the the one who started tp pursue the relationship and now he kind of shunning me.

i don't why, maybe because he sensed that i am trying to tell him a lot about the true jesus and because he felt like he can't convert me, but that's okay, i understand.

xelder

Welcome,

Sounds like the young man is typical of young male confused JW's

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2/15 WT - WTS Controls by Fear, Confusion, Separating Friends & Family

by flipper in

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once again in a wt study article entitled " imitate jesus' example of watchfulness " the wt society tries to control jw members through fear mongering, confusing them by inconsistent and contradictory wording, and emphasizing devotion to wt society " sacred service " over devotion to family and friends.. we all know the wt society has always said that " nobody knows the day and hour " of the alleged armageddon - yet out of the same mouth the wt society claims to know the " day " of the end close enough to have duped people with 1975 and put fear into jw's that the " end " is " imminent" .

notice these quotes from paragraph 4 in this article.

it states, " in brief, jesus wants us to remain watchful because of what we know and what we do not know.

xelder

Mr Flipper {sigh} my, my, my {shakes head},

Dont you realize that Russell, Joe Rutherford, Knorr, Freddie, and Ted are all looking down at you from God's right hand and frowning?

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What are the "Hebrew versions" of the Christian Greek Scriptures referred to in Appendix 1 of the New World Translation?

by yadda yadda 2 in

appendix 1 of the new world translation is entitled "the divine name in the hebrew scriptures and in the christian greek scriptures "jehovah.

" - hebrew (yhwh or jhvh)".

it says in part: "to avoid overstepping the bounds of a translator into the field of exegesis, we have been most cautious about rendering the divine name in the christian greek scriptures, always carefully considering the hebrew scriptures as a background.

xelder

http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=825:how-the-watchtower-society-has-kept-us-from-honoring-the-son&catid=106:sherry-jansma&Itemid=661

Sherry Jansma explains it well

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question for older ex-elders

by scooterspank in

i have only just begun to talk to my father about why he left the truth.

i know why he stepped down as an elder many years ago but we have just scratched the surface about why he "faded" in his 60's i would say (he is now 74).

i just wonder how much leaving the "truth" that much later in life has an effect on depression, anxiety, anger (he joined in his 30's)?

xelder

My wife and I both regretted the lifetime (50 years) in the Borg. We regretted what we trained our kids to be. But, we have helped our kids out of the Borg and have saved our grandkids from ever joining. I understand your dad's feelings. Everyone takes a unique path out of the Borg. Emotionally, mine differed from my wife, which differed from the kids, which differs from many of the posts on this forum. I think the key is education and accepting what idiots are the GB past and present. After that, it is an emotional process that can take time. Be glad if you save future generations the pain we suffered and the time we wasted. But also realise that some good moral qualities were learned (although they could have been learned elsewhere)

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Fatherhood

by xelder in

if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

xelder

You are an awesome lady Mouthy, thanks for you comments

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Fatherhood

by xelder in

if god exists and wants me to love him and view him as a father, then why doesn't he act like it?

why is his book so full of unexplained unfairness?

he has no duty to explain unless he wants me to love him.. the concept of god as a father totally escapes me.

xelder

thanks Mouthy......of course I appreciate your opinion.

Prove to me that an angel exists, opposed to God, and wants people to worship him. Prove this without relying on words written by people trying to explain why bad things happen....(I consider their thoughts as mere guesses also)