"All he keeps bringing up is sex"
There you go. Are you sure you're willing to risk your relationship with someone you love for a guy whose motto is you only live once. I'll bet that's not the ONLY thing he only does once! But at least he's more direct than some guys.
Cicatrix
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I need advice quickly please
by alison inabout a few days ago i went to hand in my final paper at a university in manhattan.
i won't go into details about the school because i want to keep it to a certain extent personal.
there is this professor that is 38years old but he looks like he is 26 years old.
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They found out we celebrated Christmas
by Mulan ini was told today that an elder in a nearby congregation has just told another elder in his congregation that he saw we celebrated christmas last year.
seems he was doing a job on our street (he's a window washer, like all good jw elders) and saw our decorations.. several things bother me about that.. 1. no one could have seen any of our decorations by driving by.
we had no lights outside.
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Cicatrix
Hi Mulan,
You mean you didn't come home from doing your Christmas shopping and realize that your windows were unusually clean?;)
Why do you think there are so many window washing elders, lol. Great pretense for being able to get a peek into "fringe members'" windows to see what they are really up to, and the neighbors are none the wiser.Pretty soon they'll be washing windows in pairs so they can apply the two witness rules. Beware!Bwhahahahaha!
Have a nice weekend. Hope it isn't raining where you are.
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Do You Think Your Family & Friends Will Ever Get Out Of The Religion??
by minimus incan you imagine certain ones making it out of the religion, somehow, sometime?
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I thought my family WAS all out. But I was told that my mother is going to meetings again, despite the fact that she was the one who repeatedly told me that Jehovah's Witnesses were in a cult, despite the fact that she has a degree in psychology, and despite the fact that she came across a paper by a psychologist who is ex-JW, who outlined everything that is wrong with the society, agreed with it, and showed it to an elder!
But then, she did grow up attending the services of another group many people consider a cult.
Ya just never know.
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Higher Education
by eiu2003 inwell, let's try posting a topic.
one of the things i felt i missed out on while i was a witness, other than wild sex when young is higher education.
i quit hs to pioneer and now have just recently finished a college degree and am still working on my masters, but i find myself resenting that i have had to do this all at night and while in my forties.
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Welcome EIU
Isn't it nice to just be able to write and NOT have to worry about style, lol.
Yeppers, I am furious that I let myself be talked out of higher education! It was a goal of mine when I was very young. My mother took me to one of her classes when I was 8 years old, and I was hooked.
I was a married teen mom (planned-and I have no idea what I was thinking, lol) who returned to school after my daughter was born and got excellent grades. My guidance counselor was rooting for me all the way, and told me that I would have a full scholarship if I wanted to go to college. I TURNED IT DOWN!!! I turned it down because I'd found "the truth," and the end was coming very soon, and my most important job was to preach the good news and bring my child up to be a good servant of Jehovah, lada lada lada.
So now I'm applying for loans and scraping up whatever cash I can to earn a degree. I also arranged to have my sons attend class with me (my instructors thought that was an awesome family tradition), and they have the college bug now, too. You can bet I'll be the most supportive parent there is when it comes to them getting a higher education. That's one of the reasons why I am so anxious to get a degree. I want to help them pay for college.
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OOOPS I DID IT AGAIN !!
by tazmaniac ini went to my local coffee shop at 11:10am on saturday morning.
not thinking that about 40 witnesses would be arriving.
there i was standing in line, the two parties in front of me were taking forever.
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Man, such loving Christians, huh Taz?
I get the same thing once in awhile. I live around the corner from the Kingdom Hall, and occasionally pass by at meeting exit and entrance times. It just amazes me how stone cold looking some of my so-called former friends can be when they see me. A few of them, I feel sorry for. They were always really nice, and seem more hurt than judgemental when we run into each other now. I try not make them uncomfortable. But the others really make me realize how loving that religion is NOT.
LOL Danny! You are a bold one. I've always thought it's better to try and remain nice and composed and be a contradiction to the Watchtower description of an apostate. But that doesn't really seem to get them thinking, and sometimes I wonder if it's making them more relentless.
I did scare one sister from my former congregation out of the grocery store last summer. The song "Devil with a Blue Dress" was playing. Ironically, I was wearing a blue dress that day. It gave me the best laugh I'd had in ages to watch her tear out of there after I winked at her kid (three of her kids had been cruising past me in the aisles, giving me dirty looks. I just couldn't resist). -
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"Do we attend the same cong, or is this that goes on in almost every cong? "
It goes on in pretty much every congregation, and in all parts of the world, lol. Kids have to deal with raging hormones everywhere. What's hard to deal with is the rank hypocrisy amongst the JWs over who gets disciplined for it and who doesn't.It reminds me so much of Nathaniel Hawthorne's "Scarlet Letter."
My daughter was targetted for one of these little "make an example out of them" lessons. A long time member of the congregation reported that he had seen her "running around" our little town late at night with another girl from the hall. In actuality, he had probably seen her cousin, who resembles my daughter from a distance, and who is not in any way, shape or form, a Witness.My daughter and her friend were home with me all night, watching music awards on tv. Unfortunately, the rumor stuck, and my daughter and her friend got an undeserved reputation of being "wild," 'cause brother so-and-so said so, and he'd been one of the founding members of the congregation.
In the meantime, the grandson of the PO at the time was sexually involved with an unbaptised girl from another congregation. It was well known amongst the kids that this relationship was going on, and I expect some adults knew as well (I suspected as much, after an open condom wrapper blew out of his car at the Kingdom Hall, but by that time, I'd already dealt with so much crap, I no longer felt the need to get involved in anyone's business anymore). The boy was baptised, the girl was not. She was baptised after she "improved" her field service time for a month, so they could "date," even though she was still in high school, and "fornicating" with the "brother".
Later on, another unbaptised JW girl was having sex with my nephew's friend (not a Witness). Well, he found out that she was cheating on him. My nephew, who was familiar with JW policy because of us, told his friend to tell her parents what was going on, lol. Well, I guess it hit the fan for her at home, but there was nothing done in the congregation, as she wasn't baptised (and was in a prominent family).Sadly, the girl's mom later learned that her husband was cheating on HER.
Another elder stepped down when his daughter began having problems. She was disfellowshipped, and even after she was reinstated, she was treated badly by many congregation members. I asked about her a little while before I left.Her mom told me that even when she goes back to that area to visit them, she refuses to step foot in that hall.I told her mom to send her my love, and that I don't blame her for feeling that way. Her mom just nodded and hugged me.
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And the winner of the best film award at the Cannes festival is ...
by Simon infarenheit 9/11 ... sorry neo cons .
any film that gets a 15 min standing ovation must be worth watching.
i wonder if bush will go see it?!
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"Moore didn't tell you what to believe about guns in America in "bowling", in fact he didn't define what the problem is. He alluded to alot of things."
I watched the movie out of curiosity over all the uproar, and I agree with this, although I'm not sure what I think about Moore's journalistic integrity. I've been perusing some pages online that cite examples of various exaggerations and creative editing in his works.I haven't had time to see if I can confirm any of the volumes of source material that he includes in his books, although I did spot his "creative editing" in regards to the timing of the NRA rally in Flint.
Having studied journalism a bit,I can empathize with folks who are tearing their hair out over manipulated quotes and shoddy editing, not only in Moore's works, but in media in general.When I was reporting for the college paper, this was a big issue. I was thanked by several people for quoting them properly, and told that they had hesitated in agreeing to be interviewed, due to being misquoted in the past. I also had to listen to them complain at times, because of the headlines that the editor chose for the stories.Often, the headline would give the reader a totally different impression of what the story was supposed to be about.
But that fact being said, I think Michael Moore serves a purpose. He is actually getting people mad enough to wake up and think about things (same with Rush Limbaugh on the "other side").Anyone who goes a little further and does a reality check on the issues promulgated by radicals are being exposed to information they may have never taken the time to look into in the first place.
Also, and most important to me at the moment-he's gotten my children to take an interest in these issues. My sons actually sat and watched the whole movie, then they talked about it afterward. They actually talked to me-the woman whom they generally regard as their chauffer and bank!They had one of those eureka moments, and started thinking about what their own position regarding guns, etc. is. They talked to their friends at school.
A week later, I still ovehear my fifteen year old talking about the movie on the phone. And he admitted to me that he's been sneaking in the library at school to read the newspaper everyday at lunchtime, too.
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jWs and creativity
by boy@crossroads inits seems to me over the years as a dub i have met some very creative (albeit eccentric) folks in the org.
whats your thoughts on this?
do you think that the structure of the jws makes people more creative?
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Hi Boy,
Welcome to the board. Your theory about creativity is interesting. I am an artistic person, and I found that my creativity was very much discouraged when I became a JW. In fact, many of the articles in the Awake regarding those who had joined up with the JWs involve the person giving UP their artistic pursuits to honor Jehovah, instead of USING those gifts to honor him.
I did know a number of creatives who used art and music to find some kind of solace, but they were targetted and picked on if it was known by the congregation that they were doing so (with the exception of an elder's wife who was not bothered, and even painted pictures for the Kingdom Hall). It was often said that if they could find time to "sit around drawing or playing music", they could use that time "more productively" in the ministry. In one case, such harassment drove one young man I was aquainted with to plan suicide. Fortunately, my daughter and a friend of hers learned of his plan and notified his parents. He received counseling, quit going to meetings, and last I heard was editor of the school paper. Another JW woman I knew continued to write, but did so secretly.I quit all of my artistic pursuits for many years, but took up writing again as therapy to save my sanity when things started going bad and I was making my decision to leave. I only recently took up painting again.
All in all, Jehovah's Witnesses don't encourage their members to make anything but the field service a priority in their lives. Association with creative individuals is discouraged, probably partly because creatives often "march to the beat of their own drummer" and don't make good company people. The Watchtower society needs lots of company people who will go along with the corporate plan, and not rock the boat. Only the most cooperative corporate people (ie-those of "good standing") ever got to take part in the dramas. And after seeing several Broadway productions and lots of local productions, I don't think those "dramas" were very creative at all, now;)
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US Condemned over rights abuses
by Simon inthe organisation said america's offensive against global terrorism was "bankrupt of vision" and had "made the world a more dangerous place".
"sacrificing human rights in the name of security at home, turning a blind eye to abuses abroad and using pre-emptive military force where and when it chooses, have neither increased security nor ensured liberty," she said.. the world should have expected the shocking photographs of iraqi prisoners being tortured at abu ghraib prison in iraq, ms khan said.
"this is the logical consequence of the relentless pursuit of the war on terror since 11 september.
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"Western ideas and Islam are not compatable"
After listening to a panel of Muslims speak last weekend, I'd have to say that I agree with this. They seem to have wanted freedom from the regime of Saddam Hussein, but they are resistent to Western ideology regarding the rights of minority faiths and women. But then, I guess a lot of people in our society are,too.
I have to wonder, though, when these men, who were educated here in the US, are still maintaining that they have the right to treat their women as property, and that minority faiths cause nothing but trouble in their society, whether or not things will actually change in Iraq. If change does come, it will come very, very slowly, at a very great cost.
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Well, ever think about leaving your mate for someone else ???
by run dont walk inthis should be interesting, .
how many of you have thought or have left your mate for someone else, was it worth it, or worth it that you stayed ???.
going through a difficult time right now, we've been together 15 years now, no kids, shes a couple years older then me.
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"my wifes looks are fading, as are mine, so i thought, i seem to have more opportunites in my late thirties, then i had during my teens and twenties put together, go figure, so guys there is always hope."
Gee, I wonder why she is being so possesive. Could it be by your body language and the things you say you are making her feel very insecure? You don't have to come right out and tell a woman that you are attracted to someone else for them to know.