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  What Does The Organization Really Teach?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  For anyone seriously looking for evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, I recommend this scholar who is fairly knowledgeable on the subject.

  https://youtu.be/wWhIVFJ4xUo?si=7YftiSswDCea8R-f
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  Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness

  by Ron.W. in

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  a slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.

  elder: 'yes.

  i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!

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  "Thank you Jesus for saving me and cleansing me from all of my sins."
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  How the Society can change anything they want

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  it's been a long time since i last posted here.

  however in light of recent changes i have thought a bit about things and have come to the conclusion that the society might.

  .. use the "evil slave" argument.

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  Remember, The Society incl Rutherford and WTS directors were examined by Christ himself in 1919 resulting in their appointment as Faithful Slave. To suggest that they were corrupt is to say Christ was wrong to choose them to represent true religion. JWs cannot afford to unravel all of their exclusivist mythology.
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  Anyone done much study on MEMEs? Curious...

  by Dogpatch in

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  meme, myself, i. .

  susan blackmore.

  new scientist 13 march 1999 40-44. also published at new scientist, archive 13 march 1999hold out your arm in front of you.

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  Here's a universal one.

  ……:-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-)……

  
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  Advice on fade?

  by NotNorwich in

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  hello, i’ve just joined here and am hoping for some advice.

  i was baptised a long time ago but left soon after (da).. i recently returned and have a bible study.

  was reinstated about a year ago.

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  @notnorwich

  You know you are in the wrong religion when you cannot leave with your reputation intact.

  My fading advice is stop going to meetings altogether. If and when the elders call explain honestly but secretively that you are dealing with a personal issue. The hidden personal issue of course is doubts about the GB/F&DS. Thank them for their interest and inform them that if you need their help you will let them know.

  Keep what is personal, personal and do your research yourself without Watchtower lenses. This forum is a good place to investigate as well as Jwfacts.com
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  Im hearing some say that the Org is about to reverse the No Blood policy - about to change...

  by BeaverEater in

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  uh, i wonder if that is true... hearing this from friends within bethel... gonna laugh my ass of if they change this....

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  Vanderhoven7

  Don't hold your breath BeaverEater.
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  Prediction: I think the Blood Policy is about to change.

  by underground in

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  i’d like to start out by saying this is my opinion.. i believe that the organisation is about to make blood transfusions in any form a conscience matter.. they will still ban the eating of blood.. they will gaslight everyone by talking about how it is so much safer now.

  and will say something along the lines of how our stance protected us from the aids crisis etc.. and i believe this change is going to happen before the annual meeting 2024.. i think the annual meeting will announce they are scrapping the midweek meeting and instead we get to watch a streamed talk at home through a revamped website similar to the way netflix works.. obviously take my opinion with a hefty pinch of salt..

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  Their blood policy will not change substantially because it separates them from all of evil disobedient Christendom.

  We alone honor Jehovah's blood laws!!!
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

  what say you?.

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  The apostles along with the other anointed dead apparently were given a spiritual body in the spring of 1918 and were raised to heavenly life, The currently living anointed join them immediately at their death.
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  How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

  9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

  what say you?.

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  I think the explanation is that since the first resurrection began in 1918 when anointed ones die now, their personalities don't need to be stored in God's memory but are immediately transformed into Spirit creatures adapted for heavenly life.

  I don't see how Witnesses can escape that man at least has a dual nature, body and soul. Soul then equals personality including memories, intellect, will and emotions.
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  What exactly IS 1914 these days?

  by Halcon in

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  it's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).

  realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.

  and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hey, three generations can overlap so no problem with 1914 there.

  And don't forget the tree cut down and the seven year 1914 kingdom restoration proof.