did you get baptized without being dedicated?.
why did you allow men to come between you and jehovah?.
why were you serving jehovah at all?
A Watcher, post 169 in reply to Cofty:
"Who gave you authority to change the message?"
I don't know. That's between Jehovah and the GB. The GB decided long ago to emphasize the Kingdom:
The Watchtower...Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom.
I just go with it.
A Watcher in the OP if this thread:
Why did you allow men to come between you and Jehovah?
Well, A Watcher, the GB are men, arn't they ?
so why did you let them come between you and your God?
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ok, i have been in and out of here lately due to schedules.
each time i log in there is a new member on the board.
when i go to see who they are...usually there is nothing and everyone is doing great and jumping right into conversation...but i for one would like to know your stories...anyone care to share or just introduce themselves to everyone?.
Welcome, HarryMac!
What a story, and well done for turning your life around! Look forward to reading more post from you!
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ok i feel almost embarrassed coming to this board and asking advice about something that my common sence has already answered for me, but i hesitate because of possible fall out unique to jw issues.
most of my posts on this board lately have been about my 21 year old son's involvment with the jw's encouraged by jw mom, both knowing i'm against what they teach.
i've gotten some good advice on this board by some of you who answered a previous post of mine related to my concern of me being an enabler to my 21 year old son.
Don't give him a cent.
my wife and i were discussing this and thought of a few examples of words that the wt society changes meanings on in order to accomplish their own self serving agenda .
the term - generation - definition in webster's new world dictionary : " generation - a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father, son, and grandson are three generations ) .
the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next .
"Honest hearted". We have one definition of honesty - the wt redefines this as "believing everything the wt says".
Also "Open minded"; my jw ex-SIL always said that if only I were open minded I would be able to see "The Truth".
Retro
i was informed by a witness that there was a "wonderful talk" at the sad this week.
it was about a clear conscience as opposed to a clean conscience.
a clear conscience is no proof of god's approval because one my not feel condemned by thier actions due to a faulty perspective.
A CLEAR conscience is no proof of God's approval because one my not feel condemned by thier actions due to a faulty perspective.
Another "don't rely on your own conscience/principles/logic; just obey". I was initially shocked when my jw SIL told me a conscience was of no value unless it was "bible-trained", which I now understand to be wt-trained.
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my wife and i were discussing this and thought of a few examples of words that the wt society changes meanings on in order to accomplish their own self serving agenda .
the term - generation - definition in webster's new world dictionary : " generation - a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father, son, and grandson are three generations ) .
the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next .
"STUDY" as with Watchtower and Bible. We all know it isn't a BIBLE study, but answering set questions from the material is not "study" in the accepted sense either.
i just learned that an 11 year old kid is taking the questions for baptism.
as soon as his father finished tellig me this, i told him that he should make his son wait, but he responded that he couldn't go against jehovah' spirit.
i gave the guy a break because he is the uneducated and naive immigrant who puts his heart, not his mind, into the religion.
From Gojira's post
I was 10, and now I wish I never had been baptized!!!! I had extreme pressure from people.
That to me is the problem with the elder's repsonse. He knows very well that there is heavy pressure within the JW cong, and he knows that this is fuelled with warnings and exhortations in the study articles and conventions. Yet he presents the child's willingness to take the questions as a holy impulse from YHWH that mere men may not interfere with.
More than disingenious; dishonest.
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hi, my time is drawing ever closer as i can no longer speak lies about the organization and all the past revisions and my sins i committed against everyone i judged while serving on judicial committees.
i lay awake at night with guilt because i ask jehovah and his son jesus christ to forgive me for being so judgemental, self assured and arrogant at certain times in my life.
i was not a prince of peace, at times i was a coward when i was first appointed because i wanted to keep all things peaceful with my peers, not with my heavenly father and saviour jesus christ.
ArbolesdoArabia
the ones I meet are not comforters, they are more like Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar of Job's story
I was a study but not a jw, but that did match my experience. The study givers and elders demanded authority over me; I had to agree with them and accept them as wiser and more spiritial or the love bombing stopped. Even as I realised this it was hard to quietly maintain my position and logic against the onslaught. I feel for you.
How bad would it look if I let them DF me and refused to respond to any questions they are currently researching about Me and what I am accused of?
I fear that your reasoned responses to their questions will look bad to them too . In the end, you need to focus on doing what is right for you.
Retro
hi, my time is drawing ever closer as i can no longer speak lies about the organization and all the past revisions and my sins i committed against everyone i judged while serving on judicial committees.
i lay awake at night with guilt because i ask jehovah and his son jesus christ to forgive me for being so judgemental, self assured and arrogant at certain times in my life.
i was not a prince of peace, at times i was a coward when i was first appointed because i wanted to keep all things peaceful with my peers, not with my heavenly father and saviour jesus christ.
Hi,
I am so pissed off and full of rage, please advise me!
You have good cause to be angry. Yet anger will not help you to get the outcome you want.
Consider carefully: first where you want this to go. Do you want to fade or to go out with a bang? JC or no JC? What you say (and hopefully record will give you some satisfaction, but from all I've read, the elders will simply label it all "satanic" and stay with their chosen beliefs.
If you do go the JC way, prepare 2 or 3 main points and research them very carefully. If possible get someone to practice role-playing. The hardest will be to keep the elders from shouting you down, changing the subject, vilifying your sources, anything but addressing the points logically. It is so very difficult to maintain a polite and logical position against numbers and men who think they have authority.
I wish you all the best.
Retro
so after the memorial hell http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249700/1/memorial-hell my wife totally missed the special talk and i only just realized from jwn that she has.
in fact last sunday i took her out to a park and we had nice time in the fresh air enjoying nature.
also she has taken up improving her congnitive skills on luminosity and today said she might actaully go and study some algebra on khan academy which i had suggested instead of spending money on luminosity.
Perhaps print out a list of logical fallacies? Ask her to help you spot them in advertisements, newspapers etc. Surely in time she won't be able to miss the fallacies she hears in meetings and sees in the wt publications? She sounds like a smart person.
