DesirousOfChange
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Call Me MacGyver!
by Terry ini rode my bicycle to the corner gas station / convenience store.i couldn't find my regular mask - so - i improvised.as i walked up to the young lady clerk, her eyes grewwide wide wider and she said:"that's a um very unique face mask you have there, sir.
"i grinned invisibly.
"yep, i actually made it from an old pair of purple boxer shorts.
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Do You Think It’s Time For Businesses To Reopen Even Though Coronavirus Is Not Obliterated?
by minimus ini think it’s time for business to reopen and let’s get the economy going again!
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what say you??
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DesirousOfChange
I think they are learning a valuable lesson not to live without some savings.
People have to quit living paycheck-to-paycheck. And don't rag on telling that some poor low-wage earners can't do that. Bullshit. All those low-wage earners that I know can afford cigarettes, booze, cell phones (better than mine), and have tattoos.
We have always lived differently. Frankly, a lot of that came from the JW mantra of "keep the eye simple". We have never bought anything (other than out first car and first house) that we cannot pay for with a check (cash). We might finance it, but we have the cash.
For as long as I can remember, the financial "experts" advised having a minimum of 6 months income in savings in case of a "rainy day". Well, folks, this has been a fucking hurricane. There should have been more planning for the storm.
Young people (my kids included) think they need to step out on their own into the lifestyle that their parents have achieved after 20, 30 or 40 years of working and saving. So they go into debt for a house they really cannot afford. They buy 2 new cars on credit. That big house needs furniture. CHARGE IT! They have two incomes but just barely scrape by...........until one of them gets laid off............of one of them get injured or sick.
You reap what you sow. Oh wait! Don't worry! The Government will bail you out. (And probably do so at the expense of the people who saved.)
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How Is The Governing Body Viewed Today By Jehovah’s Witnesses?
by minimus inare they revered like the pope is to catholics??
back in the 1960s , fred franz and n.h knorr were the only men that counted.
after franz died, the governing body became more of an idolized entity.
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DesirousOfChange
I spoke to an old acquaintance they mentioned they didn’t care for a certain guy who makes all those facial gestures
By and large I think there were always revered, even worshipped. After all, they had the one and only direct connection to God. And while that attitude hasn't changed entirely, I do think the GB putting themselves out on JW/TV has cost them a little of there omnipotence. Old "Rubber Face" is seen as pretty weird by a lot of the R&F. They are more "human". Which in one way makes them maybe "more approachable" -- more "normal". On the other hand, mere humans are imperfect. And when they are seen as mere humans, their God-like status is greatly reduced.
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Bill Gates Foundation
by jhine inhi everyone , how are ya'll ?
l have a question particularly for any americans on here .
l have an american friend from la who has recently been trying very hard to investigate bill gates and his foundation , she has shared quotes from a lot people making very serious accusations against bill .
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DesirousOfChange
jhine, it's proven that when people look at "facts" in their own "unbiased" way, they actually tend to openly accept new material that happens to support their already decided-upon view and they tend to find a reason to discount anything new that conflicts with their current view. They don't even realize they are doing this, even though it may be so apparent to an outsider observing.
JW's do this on things like the Noachian Flood. If an old vessel is found in the Himalayas, it must be Noah's Ark. PROOF of their belief in the Flood. If carbon dating disproves the age of life on Earth being on a few 10's of thousands of year old, it's FAKE or FLAWED or it's lying scientists trying to support their evolutionary doctrine.
It's like trying to convince someone that their ex-spouse is really an OK person.
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Does God listen and answer prayers for coronavirus patients?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy cousin has been in a medically induced coma for the last three weeks due to the coronavirus.
we just found out today that he was sent to rehab for physical therapy.
he is awake, cannot walk, and cannot talk due to damage to his vocal cords from being on a ventilator for three weeks.. my cousin has many religious friends who have posted ''get well soon'' messages on his facebook page.
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DesirousOfChange
If you think God is interested in curing a person who has COVID19, where the f&ck was he to prevent them from being infected? Seems to be God is always AWOL when someone really needs his help.
With professional sports cancelled we know it cannot be that he is busy blessing football players with touchdowns or baseball players with home runs, so I just don't know WTF he is so busy with at this moment in time.
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A Question: How About Praying for -or Including a Mention of - Covid-19 First Responders?
by Room 215 inhow do you think the congregation would react?
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DesirousOfChange
Paul said to pray for the King.
I think if you heard a bro pray for Joe Hoover to bless The Donald you'd see the shit hit the fan.
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Coping/Living/Understanding
by justangel ini’m relatively new to this forum but am far from new when it comes to living life as a jw.
i wanted to throw out there my own personal experience and feelings and welcome any conversations (i’m mighty chatty and don’t have much for friends when it comes to jw’s) .
i hit the turning of an era nearly a month ago of legally becoming an adult, raised as a j dub my whole life.
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DesirousOfChange
A couple real examples:
If a brother who is an MS/Elder is found out to be an adulterer, molester, embezzler, etc you this strategy. We had an elder who had been carrying on an affair for EIGHT years before his wife discovered it. In that time period he was promoted from MS to Elder and received many important assembly/convention parts. HOW DID THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON? One can see how he can deceive his wife, fellow elders, even the CO (who makes these appointments), BUT CAN YOU DECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT? Or, is this evidence that the Holy Spirit is NOT really behind these decisions?
If someone is shunning their inactive family members (as this is happening a lot lately): Where do they get authority to take this position? The Cong/Borg (as guided by Holy Spirit) has not seen to DF this person. DF is what requires shunning. Under the Law in Israel, if a person went beyond the Spirit Directed punishment, that person was condemned. For example, if a man was a thief and stole the bull of a fellow Israelite and the owner of the animal KILLED the thief, what would happen? The owner would be put to death because he went beyond the words of the Law (which was given by God's Holy Spirit). So who gives any JW authority to exercise a punishment against a fellow JW that HAS NOT been deemed appropriate by Jehovah's Organization?
Blood fractions is an easily argued subject. Tell your doctor you will now accept transfusions of "blood fractions". The medical community does not have a concept of "fractions" beyond plasma, red cells, white cells, platelets (the separate components you get when blood is centrifuged). Where in the Bible does it say it is OK to accept ANY part of human blood? Are these Pharisaic man-made rules (such as those condemned by Jesus)? What about all the JW's that died the year before the GB determined they could have accepted "fractions of blood" and been saved? Is this really how the Holy Spirit works?
Once you are at school or on a secular job, you can say a fellow worker or student asked you questions that you need to know how to defend. Always pass the doubt off to someone else when you can.
Good luck
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Coping/Living/Understanding
by justangel ini’m relatively new to this forum but am far from new when it comes to living life as a jw.
i wanted to throw out there my own personal experience and feelings and welcome any conversations (i’m mighty chatty and don’t have much for friends when it comes to jw’s) .
i hit the turning of an era nearly a month ago of legally becoming an adult, raised as a j dub my whole life.
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DesirousOfChange
Welcome to our group of misfits! (just being snarky) It's the greatest group of people you may ever meet.
Your posts sound a bit negative which is not surprising due to the situation with which you are dealing. However, let me give you a couple "positive" points about it.
1) You are YOUNG. Real young. (You probably don't like that since you even comment you are now an "adult".) But what I mean is that most of us here were not fortunate enough to awaken to TTATT until we were 40 or 50 or 60 and the best years or even the most years of our lives were behind us and had been wasted chasing a false promise. You, on the other hand, have decades ahead of you so there is less urgency for you to make any quick impulsive changes that you may later regret.
2) It's obvious your parents love you. Some moms would have already "ratted out" their child for those horrible "apostate leaning" comments. Of course, they would have thought they were trying to "snatch them out of the fire" and save them from destruction. Instead, your mother seems to be very tolerant. Most likely she is hoping and praying you will "grow out of" this phase. But, it seems obvious that your mom is very much on your side.
3) Living at home is cheap. You cannot begin to understand the expense there is of setting up your own housekeeping. I can't hardly fathom how young persons do that today. Living at home is a great advantage! This is especially true if your parents will support you in going to college or trade school (vs demanding you full time pioneer). You need to prepare yourself for the future. You will need a good career or trade that will care for your needs once you move out on your own. In the meantime, you may just have to "fake" the good JW thing. Even if that takes a couple years (trade school or community college) or even 4 years (a BA or BS), you will only be in your early 20's but in a significantly better position to move ahead in your life.
In the meantime, don't make the JW things you know are bullshit an "issue" in your household. Avoid arguments and "blowouts" over JW doctrine and policy. It's much more strategic to simply "question" the crazy ass shit. IF YOU MUST, just ask "sincere" questions about [the issue at hand]. Also, don't ever make or espouse a huge list of JW issues all at one time. If you question something, stick to the subject. Ask "sincere" questions and STFU and force them to research for a legitimate answer. (Wait on Jehovah, is NOT a legitimate answer.)
Good luck! Check in here often. We really admire what you have accomplished so far just by awakening at your time of life. We are willing to offer suggestions and support. AND, we are truly interested in how things work out for you!
Doc
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DesirousOfChange
Thanks Simon!
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DesirousOfChange
I really believe the internet is the reason so many are able to become awakened and move on so much earlier. When many of us who did not awaken until 40 or 50 or 60 years of age, it was because finding information about TTATT was very very difficult. It meant finding books in a brick and mortar library. It meant meeting face to face with "apostates" (known away back as the "evil slave class"). We were AFRAID of those dissenters. They were demonized by the WTS (just as apostates still are today).
And if you left, you were really alone. No just how someone is alone today -- losing (conditional) friends and likely even some family, but also being able to "connect" with anyone else. No JWN. No Reddit. No Facebook groups. No Tahoe Apostafest. (Thanks! Flipper)