DesirousOfChange

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  Zoom meetings to continue thru July

  by Wakanda in

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  co is coming and expecting to zoom it in july.

  also there is no talk about starting to slowly go back to the hall.

  like having 1 group at the hall and the rest on zoom, etc.

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  The real determination will be on how the donation arrangement is working. If the donations actually GO UP, Zoom will remain forever.
  
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  New DNA Study Confirms Noah

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  http://www.icr.org/article/9325/.

  amazing read...go on , have a laugh if you want to.. new dna study confirms noah.

  by brian thomas, m.s.

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  Fun to read this old shit!

  Cofty you were kick-ass by then as well! Thanks!

  I recall "Snowbird" from past posts. I suspect this is why we don't read anything from her (sorry if she is a he) any longer as she got her ass handed to her in a handbasket. Somethings that some of us never lose from our old JW ways is fleeing the scene when we run up against a better adversary on "doctrine".
  
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  Fading

  by Cordelia18 in

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  hi i was on here a few years ago, i ended up caving to family pressure and returning to the borg i've since married and have 2 children .

  all the reasons i returned are still here, my parents are elderly and i really don't want to hurt them but i just can't do it anymore i need to leave before my kids are brainwashed, i need to be clever this time .

  last time i was dfed and became dependant on drink i am in aa and sober now and learning the true meaning of sprituality i know without a doubt that it is a dangerous cult, but i need some tips on fading, its so hard when i want to shout from the roof tops how blind they are.

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  I think the best way to "fade" is to have been "stumbled" by someone. Refuse to discuss it because you do not want to discourage anyone else. But, it's simply SO BAD that you must have some private time while you "wait on Jehovah" to rectify things. (Just don't "wait" in the KHall when you can wait at home!)
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  Call Me MacGyver!

  by Terry in

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  i rode my bicycle to the corner gas station / convenience store.i couldn't find my regular mask - so - i improvised.as i walked up to the young lady clerk, her eyes grewwide wide wider and she said:"that's a um very unique face mask you have there, sir.

  "i grinned invisibly.

  "yep, i actually made it from an old pair of purple boxer shorts.

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  Do You Think It’s Time For Businesses To Reopen Even Though Coronavirus Is Not Obliterated?

  by minimus in

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  i think it’s time for business to reopen and let’s get the economy going again!

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  what say you??

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  I think they are learning a valuable lesson not to live without some savings.

  People have to quit living paycheck-to-paycheck. And don't rag on telling that some poor low-wage earners can't do that. Bullshit. All those low-wage earners that I know can afford cigarettes, booze, cell phones (better than mine), and have tattoos.

  We have always lived differently. Frankly, a lot of that came from the JW mantra of "keep the eye simple". We have never bought anything (other than out first car and first house) that we cannot pay for with a check (cash). We might finance it, but we have the cash.

  For as long as I can remember, the financial "experts" advised having a minimum of 6 months income in savings in case of a "rainy day". Well, folks, this has been a fucking hurricane. There should have been more planning for the storm.

  Young people (my kids included) think they need to step out on their own into the lifestyle that their parents have achieved after 20, 30 or 40 years of working and saving. So they go into debt for a house they really cannot afford. They buy 2 new cars on credit. That big house needs furniture. CHARGE IT! They have two incomes but just barely scrape by...........until one of them gets laid off............of one of them get injured or sick.

  You reap what you sow. Oh wait! Don't worry! The Government will bail you out. (And probably do so at the expense of the people who saved.)
  
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  How Is The Governing Body Viewed Today By Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  are they revered like the pope is to catholics??

  back in the 1960s , fred franz and n.h knorr were the only men that counted.

  after franz died, the governing body became more of an idolized entity.

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  I spoke to an old acquaintance they mentioned they didn’t care for a certain guy who makes all those facial gestures

  By and large I think there were always revered, even worshipped. After all, they had the one and only direct connection to God. And while that attitude hasn't changed entirely, I do think the GB putting themselves out on JW/TV has cost them a little of there omnipotence. Old "Rubber Face" is seen as pretty weird by a lot of the R&F. They are more "human". Which in one way makes them maybe "more approachable" -- more "normal". On the other hand, mere humans are imperfect. And when they are seen as mere humans, their God-like status is greatly reduced.
  
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  Bill Gates Foundation

  by jhine in

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  hi everyone , how are ya'll ?

  l have a question particularly for any americans on here .

  l have an american friend from la who has recently been trying very hard to investigate bill gates and his foundation , she has shared quotes from a lot people making very serious accusations against bill .

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  jhine, it's proven that when people look at "facts" in their own "unbiased" way, they actually tend to openly accept new material that happens to support their already decided-upon view and they tend to find a reason to discount anything new that conflicts with their current view. They don't even realize they are doing this, even though it may be so apparent to an outsider observing.

  JW's do this on things like the Noachian Flood. If an old vessel is found in the Himalayas, it must be Noah's Ark. PROOF of their belief in the Flood. If carbon dating disproves the age of life on Earth being on a few 10's of thousands of year old, it's FAKE or FLAWED or it's lying scientists trying to support their evolutionary doctrine.

  It's like trying to convince someone that their ex-spouse is really an OK person.
  
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  Does God listen and answer prayers for coronavirus patients?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  my cousin has been in a medically induced coma for the last three weeks due to the coronavirus.

  we just found out today that he was sent to rehab for physical therapy.

  he is awake, cannot walk, and cannot talk due to damage to his vocal cords from being on a ventilator for three weeks.. my cousin has many religious friends who have posted ''get well soon'' messages on his facebook page.

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  If you think God is interested in curing a person who has COVID19, where the f&ck was he to prevent them from being infected? Seems to be God is always AWOL when someone really needs his help.

  With professional sports cancelled we know it cannot be that he is busy blessing football players with touchdowns or baseball players with home runs, so I just don't know WTF he is so busy with at this moment in time.
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  A Question: How About Praying for -or Including a Mention of - Covid-19 First Responders?

  by Room 215 in

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  how do you think the congregation would react?

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  Paul said to pray for the King.

  I think if you heard a bro pray for Joe Hoover to bless The Donald you'd see the shit hit the fan.
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  Coping/Living/Understanding

  by justangel in

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  i’m relatively new to this forum but am far from new when it comes to living life as a jw.

  i wanted to throw out there my own personal experience and feelings and welcome any conversations (i’m mighty chatty and don’t have much for friends when it comes to jw’s) .

  i hit the turning of an era nearly a month ago of legally becoming an adult, raised as a j dub my whole life.

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  A couple real examples:

  If a brother who is an MS/Elder is found out to be an adulterer, molester, embezzler, etc you this strategy. We had an elder who had been carrying on an affair for EIGHT years before his wife discovered it. In that time period he was promoted from MS to Elder and received many important assembly/convention parts. HOW DID THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON? One can see how he can deceive his wife, fellow elders, even the CO (who makes these appointments), BUT CAN YOU DECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT? Or, is this evidence that the Holy Spirit is NOT really behind these decisions?

  If someone is shunning their inactive family members (as this is happening a lot lately): Where do they get authority to take this position? The Cong/Borg (as guided by Holy Spirit) has not seen to DF this person. DF is what requires shunning. Under the Law in Israel, if a person went beyond the Spirit Directed punishment, that person was condemned. For example, if a man was a thief and stole the bull of a fellow Israelite and the owner of the animal KILLED the thief, what would happen? The owner would be put to death because he went beyond the words of the Law (which was given by God's Holy Spirit). So who gives any JW authority to exercise a punishment against a fellow JW that HAS NOT been deemed appropriate by Jehovah's Organization?

  Blood fractions is an easily argued subject. Tell your doctor you will now accept transfusions of "blood fractions". The medical community does not have a concept of "fractions" beyond plasma, red cells, white cells, platelets (the separate components you get when blood is centrifuged). Where in the Bible does it say it is OK to accept ANY part of human blood? Are these Pharisaic man-made rules (such as those condemned by Jesus)? What about all the JW's that died the year before the GB determined they could have accepted "fractions of blood" and been saved? Is this really how the Holy Spirit works?

  Once you are at school or on a secular job, you can say a fellow worker or student asked you questions that you need to know how to defend. Always pass the doubt off to someone else when you can.

  Good luck