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  On Jerkhovas Witlesses, Kingdumb Hells, Filthful & Discreet Slavebugger and Pio-sneering . .

  by nicolaou in

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  i detest this type of posting.

  it's only my opinion of course and so long as forum rules aren't breached we're all free to express ourselves as we see fit.

  doesn't mean i have to like it though.. honestly, can't you make your point without this kind of infantile name calling?

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  GOD SQUAD! LOL I love it. I think everyone here has been censored long enough. I still hold that if someone is so fragile that language scares them back into the org, they aren't ready for the realities of the world. They will get there. But come on, I give them so much more credit. I was uncomfortable when I saw the language, but I certainly didn't want to go backward! The world is a most excellent place with many types of people, many types of ideas, many ways of speaking, INDIVIDUALS.

  GOD SQAD, most excellent. They march around on a mission, and that is the perfect term!
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  Share Your Tales of Annoying Car Group Advice

  by DarioKehl in

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  ohhhh.... do i ever have loads of these stories!

  i pioneered in the mid-90's (mostly out of guilt and fear and hope to pacify my parents before dropping the "i wanna go to college" bombshell on them, but i digress...) and i gotta tell ya, it was the most frustrating 2 years of my life!

  at that time, there were over 20 of us as many my age recently graduated high school to "join the ranks" (as the co at the time said).

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  The 2 van stories just reminded me of a sister from an old hall. she had this horrible old van with 3 rows of seats, and so, of course, everyone would pile in. The last row was not even bolted to the floor! Bloodguilt anyone? She'd turn corners and brother's would spill onto the floor. Ridiculous.
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  On Jerkhovas Witlesses, Kingdumb Hells, Filthful & Discreet Slavebugger and Pio-sneering . .

  by nicolaou in

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  i detest this type of posting.

  it's only my opinion of course and so long as forum rules aren't breached we're all free to express ourselves as we see fit.

  doesn't mean i have to like it though.. honestly, can't you make your point without this kind of infantile name calling?

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  I'm not a huge fan of it, but there is a lot of anger. This is a safe place to express the anger. For so long, members have been repressed and forbidden to express their true feelings, I'd hate for them to feel censored here. They have a right to be angry. Those on the fence will need to understand that things are like this in the world. People get to say what they think, and they are welcome to join in. And that means, that sometimes, they will hear something that offends them. I really think that those that are likely to leave really get that. That is why they are lurking.
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  A Lurker taking a step out of the shadows

  by AlmightyDog in

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  i have been lurking on this site and others for a couple of years now, and i feel it is time to step out and say "hello!

  " when i first began investigating my beliefs, it was innocent enough.

  i had been reading an article on scientology, thinking; "wow, these people are just plain nuts!!!

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  Welcome Almighty!

  You have a lot of decisions in front of you, and there are no easy or obvious answers. The wonderful thing is that you have reached out, and now you have an outlet for your feelings, and support in what you decide. That will prove to unburdeon you quite a bit! There is something so freeing about "coming out" here.

  I feel so stupid because it seems I have driven my wife deeper into the brainwashing.

  You really don't need to feel stupid if you choose not to. She simply did what she was trained to do. This is completely expected, and had very little to do with you. Many situations will cause her to act the same way. You already know what is happening in the JW mind and cong, so clearly, you know what you are up against. I suppose the only thing I'd recommend is that when dealing with your wife, don't let on that you have viewed anything apostate. Other than that, insert very tiny questions.
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  Hi, I'm new

  by clearbrook5.0 in

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  hi, i used to be a jw, but too many things bothered me.

  this is a good site.

  thanks..

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  Welcome Clear! I can't wait to read you story when you are ready to share it.
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  Share Your Tales of Annoying Car Group Advice

  by DarioKehl in

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  ohhhh.... do i ever have loads of these stories!

  i pioneered in the mid-90's (mostly out of guilt and fear and hope to pacify my parents before dropping the "i wanna go to college" bombshell on them, but i digress...) and i gotta tell ya, it was the most frustrating 2 years of my life!

  at that time, there were over 20 of us as many my age recently graduated high school to "join the ranks" (as the co at the time said).

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  I used to get irritated at the phrase "support the pioneers". They said it all the time in my cong. If you weren't a pioneer, and you worked in service, you were "supporting the pioneers". What does tha mean? Was my service just a little less---secondary? Weird.

  Anyway, we had a pioneer that got angry when a lot of people, WHO ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK DURING THE WEEK, AND SO, VALUED THEIR WEEKENDS, went out in early morning service, and then were done for the day. They weren't there during "normal' hours to "support the pioneers". They weren't doing door-to-door. No, they had actually chosen a method where they had to talk to people. But she argued that door-to-door should be the PRIMARY method, and all the other ways should be in addition to. She constantly criticized those ones until she influenced the elders to actually give a local needs talk about it!

  It was funny too, cuz you could tell the elder giving the talk was not comfortable. He just sort of weakly encouraged people to get out door-to-door during normal hours, but he never stated anything firmly.

  Needless to say, she also hated other alternate forms of witnessing that didn't "support the pioneers."

  Car groups were an excellent time to counsel younger sisters on their hair, their grammer, their diet...whatever. But they were also a lot of fun at times. I remember many mornings being out with a great group and laughing and joking, and having a great time. Then we'd get to the TERRITORY, and that really sucked. So, we'd chat at the doors, and if a householder actually answered, it always felt like an imposition. LOL I loved when someone had a super long return visit, and I could sit in the car with friends and just enjoy myself, and STILL get to count time. I loved very long breaks. It was as though, the actual work of the ministry got in the way.

  So there were good times, bad times, and neutral times. It just depended on who you were stuck with. I hated getting stuck with families with kids, cuz I was single, and the focus would be so family oriented, it just bored me. I hated gettting stuck with one crazy sister who always found a way to lose patience and yell at me (and others), and then if I called her on it, she'd freaking cry. And cuz everyone was watching, I would have to pretend to forgive her, and comfort HER after she had yelled at ME. It was endless...
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  The WT Headship Principle (tm): Did you ever REALLY buy it?

  by Open mind in

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  i believed that god was the big boss and his first-line supervisor was jesus.. .

  everything beyond that got a bit shaky for me throughout my jw life.. .

  but this bit, i never bought into for even an instant: the husband is the head of the wife.. .

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  OPEN MIND:I'm sorry, but out of respect for my Husband and the Headship Arrangement, I'm not really comfortable talking

  with you brothers without my Spiritual Head being present." Anyone ever try that one?

  YES! It was great. Some elder's wives had the habit of picking apart a sister's comments and trying to make them personal. It really discouraged this person, cuz anytime she answered, it seemed like they were taking issue. THEN, there elder husbands would want to talk to her and "counsel" her to stop their wives from bitching. Last time they pulled it, she pulled the headship card, and postponed the "counsel" for 3 weeks. By then it had lost steam. And just to keep the record straight, her comments were NEVER veiled insults at these biddies. She was always so shocked that they would read them that way, and it often made her cry.

  I gave lip service to the headship principal, but I actually held it in derision. I remember sisters saying they couldn't go out after dark without their husbands, or they couldn't walk in the park alone, and I'd give the glassy eyed smile and say, "Oh, better not then", but inside I held them in contempt. I couldn't STAND when a grown woman acted like such a child. I knew, if anything happened to their heads, they wouldn't know how to act. Disgusting. Some of my savvier friends and I would, on occasion, used it to get out of situations. Then we'd just giggle.
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  After a Lifetime Wasted on Atheism - He Finally Gets It

  by Perry in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1e4fuhfhiu&feature=player_detailpage .

  i wonder if he offered an apology to all the people he helped deceive over the past 50 years?.

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  We are moral creatures

  Speak for yourself!

  The atheist worldview is a worldview full of contradictions. Yet, these kinds of impossibilities are no problem if you imagine yourself to be the Supreme Being yourself. The problems I've highlighted above are logically unanswerable. However, when the atheist speaks, he really believes that his words become truth the instant that they leave his mouth, regardless of the impossibility.

  When people tell me what I believe. It makes for fascinating conversation.
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  JWs and Counseling/Psychologists/Therapists

  by Had To Go in

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  hello - i am hoping that some born-ins, still-ins, elders (ex), ms, etc.

  can help me with a question i have.

  what is the typical jw thought on seeking counseling via a licensed therapist or psychologist?

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  I think a lot of attitudes about therapists/psychiatrists have been updated because so many JW's need psych drugs just to survive. However, as I remember it, they weren't so liberal when it came to marriage counseling. Since god is the author of marriage, I think they believe that following scriptural advice is what saves marriages. I posted the only thing I found on counseling, but in the halls, in practice, I think it is frowned upon.

  They can reason the going for personal reasons is a medical issue, but going for marriage steps on their god's feet. I can't imagine jw's trusting marriage counselors. Marriage counselors sometimes recommend divorce. Perhaps they would recommend more equality in the marriage. Perhaps they would recommend a woman pursuing her dreams with the support of the husband. In the end, they will not share the same values as JW, and so, they are a threat.

  Yet, you may belong to a more liberally minded cong, and your husband will play. I just don't have much hope for that though.
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  Why I Eventually Left

  by itscrap&theyknowit! in

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  i am new to this but, for years, i was already out.

  don't know where to start.

  as i have read the many posting, i'm not alone in my feelings.

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  Welcome ...Knowit. It sounds like a great weight was lifted with the end of this marriage. Still, divorce is difficult, and I wish you the best. Your story is heartbreaking--especially your father's story. It gets better. Feel free to express your anger. I know I am. I have been, at times, sarcastic and bombastic, and yet, most people here understand we just need to release some of the anger at the injustice. At least now you can protect yourself and your children. They will know they have options.

  NC