Posts by Oroborus21

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Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

under the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?

the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".

if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!

Oroborus21

Howdy,

Sorry, I guess I was assuming your implication that they WERE a cult due to the topic of the REasoning book section which you were questioning.

Yup, I agree, very wrong to include the Organizational component in the baptism ritual.

-Ed

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Circumcision?

by jstalin in

does the wts have anything to say about circumcision?

is there an official doctrine?

Oroborus21

Greetings!

There is nothing official regardin circumcision. But JWs on the whole and going back to the Zionism of Russell's era hold Jews and the Jewish faith in high esteem.

Witnesses believe that the Jews were God's original chosen people and only as a group, due to their rejecting Christ, did they lose God's favor. Otherwise, jewish persons in general, (not the pharisees or saducees) are spoke about very highly in the all of the literature.

My point is that this translates over, in the West (U.S.) at least as probably holding a positive view of circumcision, or at least not holding much of a negative view against it.

My guess is that those born into the faith were circumcised but this is hard to know since in the U.S. the preference has been towards circumcision in the last half of the 20th Century.

A literature review, would probably reveal a few snippets (no pun intended) of repetition of the questionable medical findings that circumcision supposedly has health benefits, but I couldn't find any just browsing through the CD-ROM although I do kind of remembering hearing that somewhere either from the platform or reading it in the literature somewhere.

Of course, JWs point out that it is not necessary to get circumcised.

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

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Outright Lie in the Reasoning Book

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

under the topic "are jehovahs witnesses a sect or a cult?

the last sentence of the first paragraph says "they do not look to any human, but rather to jesus christ, as their leader.".

if an active witness were to make this exact statement to an elder, he or she would throw up a red flag!

Oroborus21

Greetings,

I disagree. The statement is neither a lie, dishonest or deceptive. Jehovah's Witnesses do look to Jesus Christ as their leader.

They just also happen to have the erroneous FDS doctrine which holds that Christ is supposedly using the FDS via the GB to perform the Lord's Will in these Last Days.

The GB or FDS are not leaders in the sense that is cultic. They stand as a group in exact analogy to the Papacy of the Catholic faith.

The only lie in this thread is that Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult.

http://www.jehovahs-witnesses.net/notacult.html

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

39

So NO Russians ever walked on the moon? None?

by AlmostAtheist in

jw
friends

hey guys,.

i was reading popular science and i staggered across a line that suggested that russia had never landed men on the moon.

that struck me as blatantly false, i knew i'd seen footage of cosmonauts on the moon.

Oroborus21

The dearth of education out there is astonishing.

The Russians were first in everything but actually landing a man on the moon. First satellite, first man, first woman, first shot around the moon, first probe on the moon, first space station, etc.

The Russians never actually landed men on the moon but they were the first to get there, they were the first to send a probe around the back side of it and get the first photos of the backside, and they did land modules that took samples.

The assertion that they never had a rocket powerful enough is not true. Their Energia rockets were plenty powerful and rivaled the Saturn V and after all if they could get a there with a satellite or probe then they could also get a manned-module on it if they wanted to. The fact is that after the Americans landed men on the moon first there wasn't any practical reason to come in second so instead they started focusing their attention on research and military applications for their technology. The Russians have spent more time in space than any other country and have data about living in space that was the envy of the world and which they have now graciously shared with the US and other friends.

Oh, and I might add that the Russian Space Program has another enviable first the First Space Tourist, that is a civilian who paid money just for the trip and even today are the only ones that offer such a service.

Don't knock the Russkies they have good Vodka and HOT women.

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

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anyone have a scan of 1945 yearbook, RE: WT Charter?

by M.J. in

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i'd like a full page scan of the 1945 yearbook, if anyone has it.

the relevant page is page 32. the title page would be a bonus!

Oroborus21

Howdy,

I just thought that I would add that the charter provided above has almost certainly been replaced with the purposes as stated in the Articles of Incorporation of the various corps during the latest reorganization if not before. One could probably obtain these Articles of Incorporation from the various state secretaries offices.

Someone thinking Ultra Vires?

Not likely.

Eduardo

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"No Apologies is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

by No Apologies in

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friends

sometimes i just don't know when to keep my big mouth shut.

today i think finally said enough to get da'd.. for those of you just tuning in, a recap: about 2-3 years i came to realize everything i had been taught as a jw was a load of steaming turds.

since then i have managed to fade away more or less, without incident.

Oroborus21

Howdy Gill,

the scripture is "cautious as serpents" not cunning. That is a very different meaning. Snakes are cautious by nature, avoiding trouble when ever possible, they will flee from danger instead of confronting it if possible or when threatened only give signs of defense or potential attack.

All of these meanings is what the scripture is meant to convey to Christians.

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

39

So whats the longest road trip youve been on? or farthest you've driven?

by doodle-v in

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friends

we just got back from spending two weeks in denver, co. call us crazy (yeah i dont know what the hell we were thinking) but we decided to drive.

from seattle to denver and back is over 3,000 miles.

we had both kids and a crap load of stuff.

Oroborus21

In college I used to go from LA to home in New Mexico and back (just over a 1,000 miles) at least 3 or 4 times a year.

but the longest road trip was a looping tour that took me from Los Angeles to Oklahoma (where I picked up my nephew) to Indiana, (where I visited a sister I was "getting to know") to Michigan (where I had lunch with another Internet sister-friend), looped through Canada, came over to Niagra, to New York where we visited Brooklyn Bethel, down to Virginia (where we visited another sister that I was "getting to know" , down to North Carolina, where we met up with the love of my life and her family from Florida, and then from there back across Tennessee to Oklahoma (where I dropped off my nephew) and made a bee-line for Malibu, Calif. just in time to make my ex-girlfriend's wedding. The drive from NC back to California was the hardest because I had to do it in about 40 hrs in order to make the wedding otherwise we went at a deliberate but leisurely pace.

The worst part about the trip was my useless Wookie of a co-pilot, who didn't have his driver's license, has bad eyesight and couldn't read a map to save his life, oh and by the way he slept a lot of the way.

The best part was meeting Gina, oh and the reception at the Bethel Lobby was hilarious - not exactly the "warm greeting" and environment that we expected.

I think the whole trip was something like 14,000 miles or something.

But that isn't really the best part. Here is the best part. I was driving a RENTAL from Alamo rental cars, a really nice brand new Jeep Cherokee, that had literally something like 20 miles when I picked it up (actually they were out of the econo car that i booked so they bumped me up for free). Since Alamo doesn't charge for the mileage it was no big deal - though I probably should not have taken into Canada they probably had a cow when they compared the mileage. They were probalby like the guy only had it 2 weeks and he put 15,000 miles on it!!!!

Me and my (current) wife made a nice trip around the Southwest a couple of years ago and that was probably about 5 or 6 thousand miles.

Another great trip was when I flew to Philadelphia, picked up the rental (again from Alamo) drove over to Atlantic City to pick up Dorota, this really hot Polish sister that I was "getting to know" and took her on a bed n breakfast tour around New England for about a week.

good times, but my touring isn't over.

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

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Cheaters Once Again!

by Oroborus21 in

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friends

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once again the black sox show why they will forever be known as the biggest cheaters in baseball.. not worried, i think that that the angels will just get angry.. -eduardo

Oroborus21

Once again the Black Sox show why they will forever be known as the biggest cheaters in baseball.

Not worried, I think that that the Angels will just get angry.

-Eduardo

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To: Barbara Anderson -- Re: First WatchTower President

by West70 in

i am primarily posting this to barbara anderson, but obviously everyone is welcome to correct or comment on my remarks as they see fit.

mrs. anderson, i realize that trying to cover all bases in your pending russell bio would be impossible, but i do hope that you will be able to include a section on the first president of the watch tower society, william h. conley.

i hope that you have had a chance to research conley with some degree of thoroughness, so as to dispel some of the half-truths that some bible students and jws try to promote (such as that conley's age and health caused his inactivity with russell after 1881).

Oroborus21

Dear West70,

I believe that I came across the W.H. Conley fact elsewhere and a while ago but I will have to review my notes to determine where. I am not convinced that Ms. Anderson, and this is not to knock all of her significant contributions, is the rediscoverer of this fact. If I figure out where I first encountered this fact I will post it.

As for your other points they are trivial today since contemporary JWs don't even give much credence to the teachings and contributions of Pastor Russell much less any of the others from those days. Morevever, only a few core nuggets of doctrine and culture remain from Russell's period and those early Bible Student days.

Thus Conley like many others are interesting footnotes in history but they offer no relevance to the issues and challenges facing Jehovah's Witnesses and the Organization today.

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

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Questions from readers: Did Adam and Eve ever ...

by Simon in

... fart?

if so, did it stink?

if so, did they still call the immediate area "paradise"?.

Oroborus21

I seem to recall that when Kelly Le Brock was created as a perfect woman in Weird Science that her burps smelled like champagne.

I am sure it was just like that for Adam and Eve and also for Jesus whenever he had to take a squat on the road from Galilee to Jerusalem.

-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.