Why do "perfect" people need kings and priests? I am reminded of the ignorant, arrogant elders who smugly believed they would be "princes" in the "New Order." Why doesn't God see us all as equal?
Posts by Mum
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11144,000 as Kings and Priests Really? or not?
by Crazyguy inin revelation chapters 7 and 14 there it talks about the 144k but says nothing of them being kings and priests.
in revelation chapter 5 and 20 it mentions ones being kings and judges, but if you notice in chapter 20 verse 4-5 it talks about martyrs coming to life judging and reigning with jesus, not the 144k specifically.
in verse 5-6 talks about the first resurrection and that all that share in this first resurrection will be priests of god and of jesus and they will reign for a thousand years.. so notice in revelation chapters 7 and 19 a great crowd is mentioned being alive standing before the throne standing at the same time as the 144k are mentioned.
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Hate Speech
by Roberta804 ini was listening to a recording on youtube taken from the 2013 convention on "human apostates".
the term "mentally diseased" is way over the line.
can you imagine if they called blacks or catholics or god forbid, muslims "mentally diseased" what kind of trouble there would be?
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Mum
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have noticed that the most self-righteous hate speakers are people of low character, little understanding, living lives that do more harm than the ones they speak against could ever imagine.
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Unbelievable Experience in Yearbook
by gingerbread ina number of years back i heard a story of a young girl in a congregation ( i have some good friends in this hall ) who had an amazing field service experience.
it was so amazing that it was retold in the 2007 yearbook!.
it is retold in the highlight of the past year section.
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Mum
Another JW urban legend is born . . .
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Feeling Guilty
by naazira ini am feeling gulity because i will not be going to the summer convention.
i just can not sit through the talks they are sooo boring.
im cutting off all contact with the witnesses.
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Mum
It took me two years to realize that the JW's were not special. Be patient with yourself. Take baby steps. Missing the convention can be the first step. Then read some good books, take a class, join a club, and build a new life for yourself.
Having a meeting with the elders was the catalyst to my realization that they are just another cult. The elders behaved so arrogantly and aggressively that I could not understand how they could claim to have any connection with God. They did not care about me or my spirituality or well-being in any way.
Your guilt is misplaced. If you need to feel guilt, it would be better to feel guilty about not donating to local food banks, doing volunteer work in the community in such a way that it makes a difference in people's lives, and for not becoming the person you were meant to be instead of being controlled by people who don't give a d*** about you.
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Mum
Some years ago, I read an account online of a young woman who said she had been disfellowshipped at age 12. Her story was that she babysat for neighbors, and that the children's father raped her. I'm unclear on most of the details. In a way, this story raises more questions than it answers. There is also the fact that I've forgotten a lot. I do remember that it made me feel sick and horrified.
She said that she reported the rape (to the elders? to her parents?), and a JC was assembled to interrogate her. She was criticized for wearing shorts in the summertime, wearing lipstick, and making herself a temptress of sorts. (Are men so pathetically weak that they can't stop themselves from raping a 12-year-old wearing shorts and lipstick?)
The upshot of it all is that she was DF'd. Maybe she had unbelieving parents. I don't remember anything in the story about whether the rapist was prosecuted or even reported to the police by anyone.
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How do you see yourself, a reformer, a rebel, a traitor, or HER MAJESTY'S LOYAL OPPOSITION?
by prologos inif you compare the immense majestic universe to a stable law- supported, immutable constitutional monarchy, or its non-royal equivalent,.
where do you and i fit in, balking one way or another( and for various reason) at.
the notion of the wt 8 representing that great entity?
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Mum
A remote peasant far from the seat of ruling power, just doing what's necessary to survive and having a good time when I can.
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Hubby found out about me celebrating my kids birthday...
by cognac intold on me of course.
apparently, the other jw thought he was kidding.. i just said, you tell on me and take my family from me, we are done.
we will get a divorce and you will lose me, your home, and more then likely won't get to see your kids everyday the way you get to now.
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Mum
This mentality of believing what adults do must be reported to someone else is so childish! You're an adult! I believe you're probably old enough to make your own decisions and accept the consequences. Unfortunately, in your case, the consequences are artificial and contrived.
Congratulations on sticking up for yourself and your kids. You GO, girl!
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payback? bitterly upset....
by losingit ini don't even know where to start.. more than anything, i'd like to say that i am not a woman of vengeance.
i am very much a forgiving person.
if you say "i'm sorry," and you're genuine, i can move on from it quickly and easily.
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Mum
I hope you have a strong attorney. You have a right to your own religious beliefs or non-religious beliefs.
Your ex might try to intimidate you into indoctrinating your children. If they wish to go to the KH, I would take them, sit with them silently, then go out for a nice afternoon in the park and/or to a special meal at home or in a restaurant. If they want to talk about the meeting or JW stuff, just tell them you disagree, why you disagree, and that they have a right to choose for themselves what they believe.
The important thing is how your children feel when they are with you. If they feel you are fighting their father, it will not make for a happy atmosphere. What children remember is how they felt with the people they grew up with. What is between you and your husband should have no effect whatsoever on the children.
Painted Toenail, a poster here, recommended some books for children to teach them critical thinking. They are available from Amazon. They are called Blast of Logic (grades 3-4), Logic Liftoff (grades 4-6) and Orbiting with Logic (grades 5-7). For teenagers, she recommended Critical Thinking by Anita Harnadek. I have not seen these books personally, but I plan to buy them for my great granddaughter when she is old enough.
Do what makes you happy. Help your kids learn to make themselves happy and to think for themselves. Best wishes.
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So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?
by BU2B inso ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.
the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.
what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?
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Mum
Money and control may be the primary issues.
Nowadays they're so paranoid about apostates. I'm sure they've figured out that apostates are waiting near every restaurant door for JW's to appear so they can draw them away with lies, deceit and temptation. Apostates use big words, so the poor, defenseless JW's are impressed by their massive vocabularies and slick presentations. Apostates have good jobs and college degrees. They have good marriages and happy children. Their lives are not always satisfying, but they can change whatever they need to make them better. Apostates are seductive, beautiful, clever, presenting themselves as angels of light to tempt the typical deprived, frustrated JW into a life of making their own decisions and accepting reality with no comforting fairy tales about the future destruction of 99+% of the human race. Oooooooh!
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Elders = Politicians???
by toto555 inwith all the back-door politics, white-washing of elder mistakes, selective enforcement of rules etc.
aren't elders not much different than any other political position out there in the world (mayor, congressman, senator etc.)?
doesn't the same hold true as well for co, do, etc.?
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Mum
All corporations are run on politics.
I used to have a job, and my co-worker had narcissistic personality disorder. I had never heard of NPD, but I was describing her behavior to a therapist, and she told me that it sounded like NPD. She went on to say that many CEO's and politicians have NPD. I'm sure many religious leaders have it, too. I looked up NPD on the internet, and the list of traits associated with it fit my co-worker like a glove. My father also had it.
When I was taking university classes, I was discussing religiion with a classmate. She told me she had an uncle who was a bishop in the Roman Catholic Church, and he had told her that reaching that position was all politics.