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hope the scans show up ok.. the article is presented as it comes, for your own assessment.
you could not make this stuff up!
They are slowly finding more and more things to DF people for. So now you can't watch porno's or have phone sex... whats next? Masturbation is a dfing offence if they person was greedily viewing porn at the same time?!?!
Aside from viewing child porn .......Give me a break please!
finally i am free.
i wandered outside the convention around mid-afternoon, returning for the concluding song, so i didn't get to hear "summary of the botchtower" nor the final talk (which gets all the seals clapping).. .
know that the kingdom of god is near .
It seems as if the Society is more desperate than it has even been in its 127 year history. They actually mentioned in a demo about a brother surfing the web for JW reports on the Hurrican Katrina relief work and finding negative talk about the Governing Body. They bashed higher education repeatedly. They tell us we should listen to the FDS and not question them. Do we have the pioneer spirit? Are we carrying out our ministry to the best of our ability?
Went this passed weekend also. We had the same exact info so must've been in the outline or manuscript. They really did bash higher education and interviewed all these elder kids, pioneer in H.S. suck ups.. very typical. The drama basically was saying you need to listen to everything the F&D slave says or you will die like that unamed prophet in 1 Kings Chapter 13. Its all about control..... they are trying to tighten up.
do you remember years ago this was mentioned among the brothers in conversations about elders?
yet i cannot ever recall being directed to a scripture which proved all elders were appointed by holy spirit.
it seems that everyone just accepted that they were, including myself , and yet how is this possible considering how many i've seen were corrupt when appointed.. any others think about this when in the org
Well according to the so-called "OD" book that replaced the OM it states on page 29, par. 1 "only if they qualify can it be said that they are appointed by holy spirit.." So I think the WTS is washing its hands so to speak of the elder arrangement in case of any legal reprecusions.
To answer your question though its been my experience being an elder the past almost 10 yrs that holy spirit in the WT sense has nothing to do with it. To be honest, many bodies of elders are genuine and try to determine if someone qualifies or not but realistically much of their decisions are based on what that particular person shows outwardly to them, not who they really are as people. Its almost assumed that if the brother is a pioneer and older than 25 he is automatically considered and reccomended, particularly if he is a minsterial training school grad. Does this mean he is qualified to help people...no it doesnt. Brothers may also qualify if they are "nice" to the more prominent elders in the cong and the CO. Is this person qualified to encourage and help others..no. I think you get the idea.
does anyone know what the governing body members make a month?
do they make more money than the average bethelite because of greater responsibility, or do they just get the benefits of first class travel when they go to different areas of the world?
Its my understanding that their reimbursement is the same as every other bethelite. Their "pay" comes from "green handshakes" from congregations/branches that they visit and from adoring fans who tour through bethel or just send them $ in the mail. I am pretty sure that they clean up a lot of tax free income. I know that CO's definitely do.
in another post on the da vince code, it starts by saying that the wts doesn't want the witnesses to see that movie.
does anyone know if this is true?
where has it been stated?
Nothing has been, nor will be said about it beause movies are deemed conscience matters. I really think its up to the individual quirkiness of the particular cong. and elder body if anything is said to someone who sees it and openly admits it. I saw Xmen 3 on Friday and when one of the other elders found out (because his son went with us) he says to me "doesnt that show promote evolution and isnt it pretty violent?" I said "yes it was violent but your son seemed all into it just like I was". That shut him up.
that was the question the district overseer asked a group of pioneers in .
the pioneer meeting.
"can a bumblebee fly"?
BTW did you know that COs and DOs no longer are held to fulfilling the hour requirements for pioneers? How many of their wives do you see putting in the kind of hours that allows them to report 70 hours a month
Blondie this is news to me... as of when? So they can basically put as much as they want to put?
metatron made a great point about how jws might be leaving in more earnest because of being beaten up by the talks that the brothers give.
"are we decorating our homes more than we should be?"....etc.
did you suddenly figure out that you were just sick and tired of being berated every week??
By the elders yes. Many publishers dont realize it, but the elders often treat each other the worst. Elders suck!
do jw's elders report other elders for wrongdoing or do they sweep it under the carpet?
i remember there was a elder in my old cong that did not like another elder.
he would always bad-mouth this particular elder in field service.
As purplesofa said, a significant role of the CO is to look after the body of elders. Rivalries arise between elders and they run to the CO to dob on each other and get them removed.
This is the significant point here. I wanna be PO so let me squeal on Elder X and get the rest of the body to not trust him.... happens quite often.
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seems like i had seen some discussion on that - but can't recall - and have been off the boards more than on here lately.. if so, is a scan available somewhere in pdf?.
jeff
Nope. I doubt they will at this point since none of the stuff in it really has changed except for as Blondie noted the notes that the individual elder wrote in the book from CO visits and Km schools. They dont want to put some of that stuff in a published, copy written book either I am sure for legal reasons.
i was thinking about thx 1138 the other day, and it got me to thinking how much the society would benefit from this movie.
in the movie, the people are so drugged up that when they go into these booths to discuss their problems, they have no clue that it is just a machine that gives canned answers and is not thinking or reacting to them.
basically, you say, "i feel lost and depressed" and it responds "you are a beautiful person" and "you are happy.
Awesome! I'd order one for the Hall and 1 for each bookstudy location. This would save so much time in shepherding calls.
