Posts by OBVES

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My first time

by not bitter in

i am new to this site.

i've been out of it for about 17 years.

i've never really looked back or felt nger about any of it.

OBVES

Jehovah's Witnesses resemble those first followers of Jesus who were called christians and were viewed as a sect back then - Acts 11.26;28.22.

There is only one true sect today that God Yahweh approves of is Jehovah's Witnesses. They will have their day soon as the fantastic prediction is in place for 2011 AD. Go to http://www.focusinthebible2011.com and follow directions there.

I am posting on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn , alt.bible ( google groups ). There are numerous articles there proving beyond a shadow of a doubt Jehovah's Witnesses are " in it " . They are covered by the endtime period resembling the times of Noah's days . For Jesus to return there must be the true christian religin in place for at least 120 years and proclaimed to the nations of the world.

There is no other christian organization that stands close now to Jehovah's Witnesses . You can try and will find none !

It must be strictly related to endtime chronological dates.These date must be coupled with the dates when Jesus and his first disciples lived and taught a new religion that was burying the old religious system. And now one true religion must do the same by burying all other religions.

Simply it is destroying all other religious organizations that claim to be true .

Your parents in cult Jehovah's Witnesses should jump for joy awaiting what may happen in 2011 AD .Tell them that .

You risk a lot by denouncing your parents' beliefs.If it turns out they have the true religion you are a looser unless you become saved before it is too late.

7 BC = 1879 AD ; 2 BC = 1884 AD ; 29 AD = 1914 AD .

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DAY of DOOM: Armageddon Comes for the WatchTower--- April 5, 2011

by cameo-d in

my speculation comes from something that conspiracy theorists know as an illuminati ritual called "revelation of method".

it is when symbols and indications are given ahead of time, (revealed in movies, television shows, etc.

) of something that is planned.

OBVES

Note Jehovah's Witnesses don't make any predictions by setting forth dates as far as I know.

Absolutely 100% certain the Day of Doom will not take place on April ,5,2011 .Any date set forth must be well based on the Bible and explained in a logical consistent way .

Go to http:// www.familyradio.com how Harold Camping explains May,21,2011 as a day Jesus will return and the Judgement Day will begin and will last 153 days to October 21,2011 .

Camping's declaration is pretty scary to some people just tune to Open Forum alive by Harold Camping.

Yet , Jehovah's Witnessesa even if they don't predict any specific date are in awesomely good position . I am using theit timeline of Biblical history and pull them in into the endtime process the way they should be considered.

Their beliefs are very good as compared to many other christian religions.

http://www.focusonthebible 2011.com . See there Jehovah's views count a lot in our times as they fit in into the endtime true christianity.

The dates that are linked to them or their predecessors: the International Bible Students count .

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I love Christmas!

by Newborn in

jw
friends

this will be my third christmas and i love it!!!

i love buying gifts to my friends and family (those who are out) .

and best of all, this year i've got a boyfriend.

OBVES

http://www.focusomnthebible2011.com

http://www.familyradio.com

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Explaining Biblical Contradictions Away!

by AK - Jeff in

i can't - don't even try anymore.

just a few to chew:.

man then beast?

OBVES

There are no mistakes in the original Bible . Even if the translations may have some mistakes it is very difficult to prove there are mistakes in the translations of the Bible.

God Yahweh created the world in evolutionary order which is the most logical way .

What we read in Genesis 2 underscores superiority of man over other created living creatures .The first is man and then the animals.

If you have doubts call Harold Camping on his Open Forum program and ask him about if there are contradictions in the Bible and give him one example and you will see how this old man of 89 answers intelligently on this subject.

http://www.familyradio.com

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watchtower timeline

by ssn587 in

am looking for a time line about what the wtbts was teaching from 1874 onward, specifically looking for those things that became untruths.

they are mentioning the truths they were teaching from 1879 and on nothing specific of course and also they didn't mention as they never do any untruths they put out and supported.. .

OBVES

With some modifications it is still very good .Go to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn ( google group ) retrieve my earlier posts .

You find one of my latest posts there and click on " more options " and on " find messages by this author " and find related posts on biblical timeline of history.

The timeline the Watchtower gives at the end of the book " Babylon the Great Has Fallen " proves already they must represent true christian religion. Independently ( I am not from their organization ) I was able to prove their timeline as reliable.

By God's grace and help, using their timeline with some additions I was able to come up with the prediction for 2011 AD.

1513 BC is very good date + "3.5 times" as 3500 years lead to the spring 1988 AD. 1988 AD is related to 33 AD .

29 AD-33 AD-36 AD=1984 AD-1988 AD-1991 AD.

1513 BC + 3.5 days as 3500 years = 1988 AD ( spring ) + 3.5 days as 3.5 years = 1991 AD.

63 BC , 37 BC , 2 BC, 29 AD , 33 AD , 36 AD ,70 AD, 96 AD,98 AD are accurate dates they give .

Dates 1879 AD,1884 AD, 1914 AD,1918 AD,1942 AD are important .

Another example :

"7 weeks" as "7 times" 7 years as 2520 years + 7 years .

2492 BC + 2520 years = 29 AD + 7 years = 36 AD .

2492 BC - 2372 BC = 29 AD - 149 AD = 1914 AD - 2034 AD .

By these dates and calculations we can see beyond the shadow of a doubt the Watchtower represents the true endtime christianity.

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Former Jehovah's Witnesses..... becomes a Jewish Rabbi !

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

former jehovah's witnesses,craig emswiller is now a jewish rabbi, and is speaking up on the dialogue progam today sat.

nov,27, 2010, 7pm est.

dialouge is hosted by former jehovah's witnesses presiding overseer and watchtower historian richard rawe.

OBVES

He made a horrible mistake . He went from the frying pan into the fire . Tell him by calling to the talk show .Mentioned to him to visit

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com and go to alt.bible as written there which is a google group and also mentioned this discussion forum he should join immediately.

Tell him to visist http://www.familyradio.com and tune to Open Forum by Harold Camping .He has some words on the Jewish religion today .

This rabbi may need some medical pills : for headache ,heart attack to have at hand when he hears Harold Camping .

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Nobody wants to live in paradise

by eric356 in

i've got some probably-not-so-original musings about why nobody would actually want to "live forever on a paradise earth.

" these are the sorts of things that probably make every jw kid (or adult) have some doubts, because the problems are so obvious.

the standard jw answer of "it doesn't say in the bible what will happen, we'll see when we get there" or "wait for the new scrolls to be opened" are totally inadequate because the problems involve the very concept of eternal life in paradise.

OBVES

It is obvious first I need God of the Bible first to have it all I want and what I want is like a dream to come true !.

Right now I have no time to do so many things . I need unlimited to do things .For instance if I have a life-everlasting I have a chance that I will read a book in period of say 100 years . I have a library of books most of which are almost untouched by years . I would like to write songs to the tunes I have recorded on tapes for years at least som of them and that could take hundreds of years unless there is a sudden change causee by God alone who can give me a new life .I would like to be always looking like 27-year old .

To have a wife and enjoy sex would take a huge chunk of my life as I see sex the second important need.

I would like to play any kind of musical instruments .I would like to visit and live in any imaginable place on this beautiful planet earth and that requires billions of years !Only God Yahweh can do it for . I admire nature and I want to study lives of all creaters that are on this planet and interesting hobby or rather scientific endeavor requiers billions of years as well.

I would like see the whole history of mankind in detail on videos God can create as He saw all things and can recreate on videos .

I would like to have nice dreams like I used to have sometimes while sleeping.This one already would make me happy everyday.

I would like to travel into space and that requires God's help and I need an eternal life to do just that .

I want to be sure if I got on plane I will not die .I will drive a car I will not die .

I already enjoy food which is almost like in the Paradise .So what would be to enjoy food in the Paradise ?!

This eternal life is so great God Yahweh can give that I can see now clear I need this life and am so glad it is coming near now.

So my priorities are clear and simple:

God Yahweh is number 1 need . Sex is the next followed by food,music,sport,nature,movies,books.

I would like to have a farm with orchard and garden everywhere I wil live .I would like to have pets of all sorts possible.

Hell must be horrible ! To lose forever such a life and never to exist under this sun is the most horrible thing imaginable .That is why Jesus was crying over Jerusalem. This would be a horrible thing to see those who will cry in despair when they will know they gonna die forever.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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JW sister tells me about 1975- amnesia strikes again!

by moshe in

she came in the jw world in 1966 with her mother- she was 6 years old.

she graduated from high school in 1976. during the 90 minutes i spent with her yesterday, she mentioned that the org never said the end was coming in 1975-" it was just a few who said that and they all left after 1976- which was good- because jah needed to cleanse the kh of all who were serving with just a date in mind.. i asked her, "don't you remember the assembly talk from 1969 or 1970, where the speaker said, "stay alive until 75"- no she didn't remember.. i explained that our kh had a co tell us from the platform," brothers there is only 18 months left until armageddon- wow, she exclaimed.. i continued my story, "the po's 16 year old son quit school in 1974- to become a regular pioneer- he was held up as a fine example in the cong- and used as an example at a circuit assembly that year of someone who putting jehovah's work first.

didn't you have some who quit school to pioneer back then?".

OBVES

What I read in the post originating this thread the ORG didn't teach the end will come in 1975 . That would tell me it is a lie that the Watchtower predicted the end in 1975 . It was then like a spontaneous event in minds of some Jehovah's Witnesses who thought in the year 1975 the end would come.

How come those Jehovah's Witnesses came with such an idea unless they read and studied the Watchtower publications ?

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WTS: creative days took aeons - WT Feb 15th, 2011

by undercover in

there's already a couple of threads discussing this particular issue of kool-aid version of the wt, but i just had to start another after reading about the creative days mentioned in this issue.. we debate from time to time if the wts has ever officially retracted their doctrine that the earth and all things created are less than 50,000 years old.

there's been some quotes that show them waffling on the age of the planet itself but still sort of holding to the notion of all creation happening within a defineable 7 day period.

how long is a creative day?

OBVES

I have just heard from my audiocassette running Harold Camping from the Family Radio Stations Inc., said this world exists 13022 years and it will end on October,21,2011 .You have doubts call him on his Open Forum program 8.30-10 PM EST USA and challenge him on the age of the universe .

On internet http://www.familyradio.com you can listen to Open Forum and read the literature " Adam When ? " .

If you are in any organized religion and remain in it Harold Camping will tell you will be destroyed in 2011 when the Judgement Day rolls in on May,21,2011.It will last 153 days .On October,21,2011 this whole physical universe will be destored by fire .

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WTS: creative days took aeons - WT Feb 15th, 2011

by undercover in

there's already a couple of threads discussing this particular issue of kool-aid version of the wt, but i just had to start another after reading about the creative days mentioned in this issue.. we debate from time to time if the wts has ever officially retracted their doctrine that the earth and all things created are less than 50,000 years old.

there's been some quotes that show them waffling on the age of the planet itself but still sort of holding to the notion of all creation happening within a defineable 7 day period.

how long is a creative day?

OBVES

I have shown the year 1991 AD from calculations as you can see in my earlier response here.

The next is 1994 AD.

7 BC + 2000 years = 1994 AD. 2 BC + 2000 years = 1999 AD.

I explained the dates 2000 AD,2001 AD alt.religion.jehovahs-witn.

4 AD + 2000 years = 2004 AD

And now by God's gudiance and grace I am using 11 AD and add 2000 years to come to 2011 AD.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com is showing how Jesus and the Bible affect the date 2011 AD .

The last prediction for 2034 AD is like a back-up date which is weaker than the date 2011 AD.

The appearance of the year 2011 AD allows for adding one extra year to the 2011 AD prediction :

2011 AD - 2012 AD .

1884 AD + 120 years ( Noah's days - Genesis 6.3,7.1-4 ) + 7 years for 7 days = 2011 AD

+ one year as 121 st year = 2012 AD - Genesis 7;8.