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  How Judicial Committees Violate Individual Privacy

  by Londo111 in

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  many here have called for public judicial committees, which would indeed add to transparency.

  but--every person deserves a measure of privacy, and to be able to keep their dirty laundry from public view.

  why should everyone know the details of very personal matters, perhaps involving private struggles and family secrets?

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  bttt
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  Four Levels of Shunning

  by Londo111 in

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  remember: the word shun means to avoid, especially persistently.. level 1. official watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated.

  there are, of course, two loopholes:.

  (1) one is not shunned if living in the same household...but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like raypublisher was) or if the jw decide to leave as a consequence.. (2) one may do necessary family business..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.. but for those two loopholes, a jw may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello.

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  I've always been somewhere in Level 4. Growing up, the kids in my hall were preps and were all about clothing. My short sleeve shirts and clip on ties weren’t good enough for them. It was difficult to reconcile being excluded from social circles with being in the ‘one true religion’, the ‘most loving’ organization on earth. In retrospect, it created allot of cognitive dissonance. Had I known TTATT, I would have found it more bearable.

  I’ve experienced Level 1 for a while, but now am in Level 3. My former best friend shook my hand at a funeral. I suppose he thought he was being gracious. Never mind he didn’t invite me to his wedding or even notify me he was moving away--I learned these things through Raging Bull, who was 'undercover' at the time. A few seconds of feigned friendliness is not love.

  I saw this video on Facebook this morning and thought it was very pertinent:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7DWX0L2goo&list=UUC2X4J6CmPJkKi-hQXZkkOg
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  GB Doesn’t Believe in 1914 Anymore – My reasoning

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  i have heard a lot of talk over the last year or so if the gb will eventually ditch 1914 and some have even made the claim that most, if not all of the gb do not believe in 1914. ive given this some thought and in the past i wasnt sure.

  this annual meeting puts 100%, without a doubt in my mind that the gb do not believe in 1914. id even go as far to say that they talked about that date and have a game plan in mind.. here is why i feel this way:.

  there were a lot of changes with the parables at this annual meeting.

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  Yes, it could be. If indeed the GB is truly in charge.

  If they do this and get away with it, it will be like yanking a tablecloth underneath a table of dishes. Those that remain in the organization without appearing perturbed will be impossible to reach.
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  Four Levels of Shunning

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember: the word shun means to avoid, especially persistently.. level 1. official watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated.

  there are, of course, two loopholes:.

  (1) one is not shunned if living in the same household...but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like raypublisher was) or if the jw decide to leave as a consequence.. (2) one may do necessary family business..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.. but for those two loopholes, a jw may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello.

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  Remember: the word shun means “to avoid, especially persistently”.

  Level 1

  Official Watchtower policy makes extreme shunning mandatory for those disfellowshipped or disassociated. There are, of course, two loopholes:

  (1) One is not shunned if living in the same household…but this works as long as one is not kicked out of their own home (like RayPublisher was) or if the JW decide to leave as a consequence.

  (2) One may do “necessary family business”..but this is open to interpretation and obviously relations are very uncomfortable and strained.

  But for those two loopholes, a JW may not speak to the person shunned, not even to say hello. Those who do can themselves be subject to a secret trial and shunned as well.

  Level 2

  A lesser form of shunning is marking. A person has broken the Watchtower rules, but technically, not in a way where they are subjected to a judicial committee. The person being marked can be spoken to, but not associated with socially until the person capitulates. For instance, a person can be marked for dating or getting engaged to a non-JW.

  Level 3

  The Watchtower teaches that one person can individually mark another and stop socializing with them, without any official marking. A person who is seen as “spiritually weak” or with “apostate leanings” is avoided. Maybe they are given a greeting or handshake, but that’s about it. The JW who greets the one being shunned may feel they are being generous and loving. Ha!!!

  Level 4

  Even individuals who follow Watchtower rules and believe exactly what the Watchtower teaches can be “left out”. Often, it is “out of sight, out of mind”. Move to another congregation and you can be easily forgotten. And if a person is not in the “in group”, they can find themselves excluded. Of course, this is not just a Watchtower or a cult problem, but JWs are not immune from social exclusion due to not being popular for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. Due to the judgmental environment, people can be excluded with very trivial reasons.

  Shunning is so much part of the fabric of being a JW, there is so much inertia around this, that even if official action from elders were dropped, shunning would well continue. It is how JWs are taught. It is in the air they breath.

  It is definitely not Christianity.
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  Opps! 2015 Calendar with errors

  by pixel in

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  to all congregations in the united states branch territory.

  re: 2015 calendar in english.

  if many publishers in your congregation have requested the 2015 calendar in english,.

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  The Watchtower has been wrong about chronology from the start…
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  January 15, 2015 watchtower 3 study articles about marriage.

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  couples having problems and getting divorced must be a problem in the jehovahs witnesses.

  the articles are definately an interesting read.

  they give plenty of bad advise as usual.

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  Because they can only marry within the cult, selection is limited. This leads to incompatible marriages.

  Also the qualities looked for in a mate are primarily field service hours and organizational status.

  These things do not a good marriage mate make.
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  So who knows/knew William Malenfant?

  by L3G in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since a previous thread is getting comments that this guy may become a new gb member, the topic above is worth pursuing.

  here's what i found out by searching so far---in other words, not much.

  surely others must know something about the guy.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/198944/1/william-malenfant-learn-from-me-mp3-trinidad-2010-zone-talk.

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  marked
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  Can a slingshot hit harder than a handgun? (Self-defense research oddities)

  by Terry in

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  as you've probably guessed, i'm interested in almost everything.. whether that is good or bad, i dunno.. but, recently i started researching ways of defending myself against bad actors.

  (no, not keanu reeves.).

  even though i live in texas--i just have no comfort at all about the conceal carry handgun scenario for myself.. i've explored alternate scenarios.. i purchased a rather wicked folding pocket knife, but--i kept thinking to myself how i didn't really want to bleed somebody.

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  If you start sporting a slingshot, we will have to call you Denniss the Menace...or Bart Simpson.
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  How many of the GB helpers are "anointed"?

  by Nostromo in

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  2. friends

  according to this list there are 29 helpers at the moment: https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/jehovahs-witnesses-governing-body-committees.jpg.

  i wonder how many of these are "anointed"?

  all the current seven gb members were helpers first and then appointed to be gb members.

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  If the rumor is true that there will be new light that means appointment to the GB will mean automatically being anointed, it won’t matter.

  And if the rumor is also true that they will make the GB number 12, it wouldn't be suprising if they are grooming Malenfant, since they showcased him on the first video on Dub TV.
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  Steven Alan Hassan's BITE Model of Cult Mind Control

  by FFtruther144 in

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  i know this is a long post, but it seems to me that the watchtower society has pretty much got every single item covered.. bite = behavior, information, thought, emotion.

  behavior control.

  1. regulate individuals physical reality .

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  Londo111

  Reading Combatting Cult Mind Control was very eye opening. Before that, I was awakening to the fact that the JW theology was ill founded, but I believe I denied on this forum that JWs were a cult and that anything like mind control was employed. Once I understood what a cult was (a high control group), and what mind control was (undue influence/extreme peer pressure), and read the experiences of other like groups, it all made sense.