Posts by Phizzy

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What made you look behind the jw curtain?

by Touchofgrey in

i was listening to a lunchtime call in radio show about jws and the personal experiences of being disfellowshiped, and a former elder called in saying he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws and their involvement in the un in the 1990s ,and he just said look it up.. thinking that it was a made up lie ,so i looked it up and it was true even a letter confirming it from the un itself and that led me here and to jwfacts and further research into the history and teachings of jw and walked out the door about 5 years ago.

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Phizzy

I was born in as well, but what got me started on my journey to find Truth, and hence on my road out, was the same as " notsurewheretogo" said :

" 607 BCE is not the destruction of Jerusalem. Once I researched it and fully debunked the nonsense the WT believes the whole house of cards falls down."

I was an actual student of the Bible, and interested in what it really said, one day I sat down and thought "Today I will sit and read the Book of Daniel, but as though I had been told nothing of what it meant, I'll read it as it is".

When I got to Chapter 4, I read the "prophecy" about the 7 times, and whoa ! there at the end of the Chapter was the Fulfillment !

It struck me immediately that you had to be a bit crazy to extrapolate from that a period of 2,520 years, so I researched 607 BCE, and found, guess what of significance happened in that year .......... Nothing ! Also King Neb. did not come to the throne until 605 BCE, and he really destroyed Jerusalem in 587 BCE.

Indeed the whole House of Cards fell down !

I gave an Elder a year to return to me as he had promised, to prove 1914 to me, he never called back.

I walked away about 18 months after the above Epiphany.

I found truth, which is only that which has irrefutable Evidence, I had Freedom of Mind, I could be the real me, and for the very first time in my life, I became lastingly Happy !

May all who are journeying away from the lies and Mind Control, reach the same Happy Place that I have !

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Thank goodness for the org's insights!

by BoogerMan in

w52 2/1 p. 78 par.

7 jehovah’s theocratic organization today "when christ came for judgment in 1918 (1) he found some associated with this group that thought the lord had delayed his coming and they were oppressing their fellow slaves in christ.

these were cast off as the “evil slave” class.

Phizzy

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"Is that called self-confirming?"
Yes, so they are Self-appointed.
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2024S147**A&R

by Atlantis in

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a&r means announcements and reminders.. 2024**s*147. here:.

https://pdfhost.io/v/diikuykdl_untitled_1 .

petra!

Phizzy

Tonus, you forgot working for free on the Org's money making Projects.

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Serious sinner?

by Gorb in

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with the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.

- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.

writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.

Phizzy

What concerns me may be an unfounded fear, but this statement leaves it open for Elders to Label any of us as being " Serious sinners" according to their lights, and then we will be treated the same as any actual "Removed Person".

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A jury acquits Jehovah’s Witness in PA.

by was a new boy in

trial of lancaster city jehovah’s witness member accused of molestation begins.

jose antonio serrano.

lancaster county prison.

Phizzy

Any J.W is quite likely to, as the Org. still refuses to institute an actual Active Working Programme of Protecting the Vulnerable*, and hence have left it open for perverts to do there evil deeds, of even an innocent J.W to be accused, because she or he was alone with a vulnerable person at some time.

* Such programmes are in place and working in all major Organisations in the U.K, and even little local ones, including small Clubs etc. Why not in the J.W Org ?

Perhaps they wish to keep their Label of the "Paedophile's Paradise".

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A jury acquits Jehovah’s Witness in PA.

by was a new boy in

trial of lancaster city jehovah’s witness member accused of molestation begins.

jose antonio serrano.

lancaster county prison.

Phizzy

Please give us the outcome of this Trial when you have it, thanks. And if you could please Post the info. yourself, as you have in the O.P, as accessing lancaster online seems not to be possible from the U.K.

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The World Today

by peacefulpete in

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i've been meaning to share some recent experiences that defy the usual tropes about the 'world gone to hell' or 'people now days".. as some of you may remember i was seriously ill for a while and had to close my business and shop.

now, as it seems i have beaten it, i put up a sign again advertising that in a limited way i'm back.. what amazes me is how many times over the past 2 years customers and even competition have written and called to express their concern and best wishes.

just last week i had a personal visit of someone who i thought of as a rival, come in and shake my hand sincerely happy to see me up and around.

Phizzy

Thank you all for your kind thoughts, I really appreciate your taking the time to express them.

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The World Today

by peacefulpete in

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friends

i've been meaning to share some recent experiences that defy the usual tropes about the 'world gone to hell' or 'people now days".. as some of you may remember i was seriously ill for a while and had to close my business and shop.

now, as it seems i have beaten it, i put up a sign again advertising that in a limited way i'm back.. what amazes me is how many times over the past 2 years customers and even competition have written and called to express their concern and best wishes.

just last week i had a personal visit of someone who i thought of as a rival, come in and shake my hand sincerely happy to see me up and around.

Phizzy

Thanks PP, any positive message is just what I need right now, I am going through a rough time, I am grieving as my wife passed away in late August, and the Funeral was on Friday. I thought I would be able to carry the grief better by now, but no.

That does not matter really, I think it best to let grief run its full and natural course. I have been physically unwell for a couple of days too, but I am coming through that.

But since the death of my wife, I too have been amazed at the wonderful kindness of so many people, family of course, and friends and neighbours etc, but some of those are people whom I hardly know, as they are new to the area, and other people from a wide area, and also people from my past.

The world is full of good, kind people, who do things out of kindness and altruism, which is what gives me hope for Mankind.

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How did JWs arrive at a clearer understanding of what the Bible teaches than other Christian denominations?

by slimboyfat in

for jws who believe that jehovah had a hand in reviving the truth in the nineteenth century this is enough explanation for how jws managed to achieve a closer approximation to early christian beliefs and practices than other groups.

but is there an explanation for this phenomenon that doesn’t rely on supernatural intervention?

new testament scholar james dunn explains the difficulty of interpreting the biblical texts in this way:.

Phizzy

Replacing poor Exegesis with Eisegesis is as far from a "clearer understanding" as it is possible to be.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Phizzy

The whole question of whether there was an historical, real living person who gave rise to the Mythical Literary Figure we are presented with in the Gospels is simply a matter of mild academic interest, it makes no difference, one way or the other.

Let's just assume there was an itinerant, rabble-rousing, Jewish political activist man who the Writer of "Mark" based his Character upon, that does not make anything else at all, not one thing, in the Story true.

Just as an example take the literary character Sherlock Holmes, we are quite sure that Conan Doyle based Holmes on a man who taught him, but that does not make Holmes and the Stories true, and it does not make any other character in the stories true either !

So, Dr. Watson, Moriarty, and Mrs Hudson et al are no more real than Holmes himself.

And neither are the other characters in the Gospels !

The Apostles, disciples, villains etc. we find in the Gospels are as imaginary as is the Jesus figure.