Posts by BoogerMan

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Beroean Pickets - Is there a problem?

by BoogerMan in

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having watched the latest offering from beroean pickets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuelgtf4ka - i contributed the following factual information along with several consolidating scriptures:.

"naos - metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in christ,

of a company of christians, a christian church, as dwelt in by the spirit of god.

The org's failed last days predictions were "well meant."

by BoogerMan in

w93 6/1 p. 15 par.

6 be sound in mind - the end is close - "of course, well-meaning, faithful christians in the past have sincerely tried to predict when the end would come.".

more than 140 years of a sincere & well-meaning "it's coming soon" from the org, can be swept under the carpet - nothing to see here!.

BoogerMan

w93 6/1 p. 15 par. 6 Be Sound in Mind - The End Is Close - "Of course, well-meaning, faithful Christians in the past have sincerely tried to predict when the end would come."

That's OK then. 😄

More than 140 years of a sincere & well-meaning "it's coming soon" from the org, can be swept under the carpet - nothing to see here!

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Identifying the Faking and Deceitful Slave

by Sea Breeze in

jehovah's witness founder, c. t. russell claimed to be the mouthpiece of god (zion's watch tower 1906 jul 15 p.230), later the organization he left behind claimed to be god's mouthpiece.

scripture is adamant that the word of god only applies to jesus christ and no other.

they claim to be the "mouthpiece" of god like jesus, and that the time is near.

One of the current Governing Body/Faithful Slave members (Geoffrey Jackson) swore on the Bible and told the Australian Royal Commission that it would be presumptious of the org to claim that they were God's only spokespersons on earth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRoMjnjy7yQ

Do not contradict what the 'slave' says - even if it sounds ~~bonkers~~ "unreasonable from a human standpoint"

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Beroean Pickets - Is there a problem?

by BoogerMan in

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having watched the latest offering from beroean pickets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuelgtf4ka - i contributed the following factual information along with several consolidating scriptures:.

"naos - metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in christ,

of a company of christians, a christian church, as dwelt in by the spirit of god.

BoogerMan

@raymond frantz - My opinion on who the great crowd is or isn't, wasn't what was being referred to.

I supplied 100% accurate information from Strong's Lexicon regarding the symbolic meaning of "temple" and provided seven scriptures (perfect number!) which conclusively prove & harmonise with the Lexicon's explanation.

Why someone somewhere should decide that accurate & truthful information - as well as Holy Scriptures - should be censored/deleted is anyone's guess - but it's exactly what the Borg does. 😀

And why anyone would downvote truthful statements..................................

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Beroean Pickets - Is there a problem?

by BoogerMan in

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having watched the latest offering from beroean pickets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuelgtf4ka - i contributed the following factual information along with several consolidating scriptures:.

"naos - metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in christ,

of a company of christians, a christian church, as dwelt in by the spirit of god.

BoogerMan

Having watched the latest offering from Beroean Pickets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpuELGTf4kA - I contributed the following factual information along with several consolidating Scriptures:

"NAOS - metaphorically the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ, of a company of Christians, a Christian church, as dwelt in by the Spirit of God." (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3485/kjv/tr/0-1/)

(1 Corinthians 3:16, 17) "Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, and you are that temple."

(1 Corinthians 6:19) "Do you not know that your body is the temple...."

(2 Corinthians 6:16) "For we are a temple of a living God;”

(Ephesians 2:21, 22) "In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. In union with him you too are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit."

(1 Peter 2:5) "...you yourselves as living stones are being built up into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood."

For some strange reason the information either disappeared or was deleted by YouTube - twice!

I thought I'd submit it here for anyone who's interested in what some Scriptures say.

Maybe someone will copy & paste it and try to submit it again on Beroean Pickets.

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The King of the North as you Never Heard ity Explained Before

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/w32nome-k20?si=a8bhxh5tjrkomgzq.

rather than seeing the king of the north as the final opponent of god’s people, i propose that daniel 11 points to a completely different figure.

while the watchtower society focuses on the struggle between these two kings, they overlook a third entity mentioned in verse 40, but let’s ready this verse first from the new world translation.

BoogerMan

Every tribe, people, tongue, and nation will be "offered a choice" - to worship either the wild beast or God Almighty.

Revelation 13:7 appears to indicate that these ones are separate from existing Christians ("holy ones") while Revelation 7:14 shows that a great crowd of them choose wisely.

(Revelation 7:9,14) "After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands......“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

(Revelation 13:7, 8) "It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it."

(Revelation 14:6, 7) "And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people....worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.”

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What's a Good Question to Ask at the Door?

by NotFormer in

the jws haven't been to my door for a while, but i don't doubt that they'll turn up eventually*.

(i saw easter eggs in the supermarket yesterday, so "memorial" season is fast approaching 🙄).

what's a good question to ask, to get the ball rolling?.

BoogerMan

R & F JW's are instructed by the Borg that the other sheep "class" are the anti-type of the foreigners from the Exodus who were not participants of the Mosaic Covenant.

As such, the O.S. class of Christians are not participants of the New Covenant, and should not partake of the emblems at the Memorial! 🤣

What Does the Bible Really Teach? My question to JW's:

Were foreigners participants of the Mosaic Covenant?

wt 98 2/1 p.19, par. 6 - "Further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the Law covenant. In what way? Not by becoming participants in it but by submitting to the laws associated with it and benefiting from its arrangements."

Deuteronomy 29:10-15 clearly shows that this is a false teaching:

10 “All of you are stationed today before Jehovah your God, the heads of your tribes, your elders, your officers, every man of Israel, 11 your children, your wives, and your foreign resident who is in the midst of your camp, from the one gathering your wood to the one drawing your water. 12 You (everyone present!) are here in order to enter into the covenant of Jehovah your God and his oath, which Jehovah your God is making with you today 13 in order that he may establish you (everyone present!) today as his people and that he may be your God, just as he has promised you and just as he swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 14 "Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath,

15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

Rahab and Ruth were foreigners and accepted as full members of the nation of Israel. If they hadn't been, the Messianic lineage would have been corrupted by non-Israelites. They and their descendants all received inheritances in the nation of Israel. The following scriptures conclusively demonstrate that the WTBTS contradicts and lies about those who become "one flock, one shepherd." (John 10:16)

(Exodus 12:48, 49) "If a foreigner resides with you and he wants to celebrate the Passover to Jehovah, every male of his must be circumcised. Then he may come near to celebrate it, and he will become like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised man may eat of it. One law will apply for the native and for the foreigner who is residing among you.”

(Ezekiel 47:21-23) “You are to apportion this land among yourselves, among the 12 tribes of Israel. You should distribute it for inheritance among yourselves and to the foreigners residing with you who have had children while living among you; and they will be like native-born Israelites to you. They will receive an inheritance among the tribes of Israel along with you. You should give the foreign resident an inheritance in the territory of the tribe where he has taken up residence,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah."

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G.B. via NWT hijacks the kingdom for themselves!

by BoogerMan in

(daniel 7:27) "then the kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be delivered to the people of the holy ones of the most high.

his kingdom is an eternal kingdom; all authorities will serve him and obey him.

" (net bible).

BoogerMan

(Daniel 7:27) "Then the kingdom, authority, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be delivered to the people of the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom is an eternal kingdom; all authorities will serve him and obey him." (NET Bible)

(Daniel 7:27) “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all rulerships will serve and obey them.’ (NWT)

But it looks like the Borg has "gone beyond what is written":

(Daniel 4:3, 34) His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his rulership is for generation after generation.. . .because his rulership is an everlasting rulership and his kingdom is for generation after generation.

(Daniel 6:26) His kingdom will never be destroyed, and his rulership...

(Daniel 7:14) His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

(Matthew 13:41) The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom....

(Matthew 16:28) ...they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom....

(Luke 1:33) ....and he will rule as King.....and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

(1 Thessalonians 2:12) ....who is calling you to his Kingdom and glory.

(2 Timothy 4:1) ....and his Kingdom...

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144,000 + 1 kings

by moomanchu in

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i wonder why so many kings are needed for the millennial reign?

the almighty governing body says 24,000,000,000 people combined from those resurrected and the survivors of the big 'a' could make it into paradise.

that gives you 1 king for every 166,665 persons.

BoogerMan

Matthew 28:18 - "Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth."

1 Corinthians 15:27 - "For God “subjected all things [everything created] under his feet.”

(Psalm 8:6) You gave him dominion over the works of your hands; You have put everything under his feet:

(Ephesians 1:22) He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation,

Bottom line: (according to JW Borg dogma) Jehovah ruled over all of creation as King without assistance, but when all power & authority is given to Christ, he needs help - from 144,000 Melchizedek wannabes!

I don't remember Paul describing anyone else as being in the likeness of Melchizedek. Maybe I missed that!

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The "faithful servant" died in 1916.............

by BoogerMan in

.........according to the 1922 "faithful slave.

the watchtower may 1, 1922 - faithfulness is loyalty.

"to be faithful means to be loyal.

BoogerMan

.........according to the 1922 "faithful slave." 😄

The Watchtower May 1, 1922 - FAITHFULNESS IS LOYALTY

"To be faithful means to be loyal. To be loyal to the Lord means to be obedient to the Lord. To abandon or repudiate the Lord’s chosen instrument means to abandon or repudiate the Lord himself, upon the principle that he who rejects the servant sent by the Master thereby rejects the Master. There is no one man present today who can honestly say that he received a knowledge of the divine plan from any source other than by the ministry of Brother Russell, either directly or indirectly. Through his prophet Ezekiel, Jehovah foreshadowed the office of a servant, designating him as one clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side, who was delegated to go throughout the city (Christendom) and comfort those that sighed by enlightening their minds relative to God’s great plan. He noted that this was a favor bestowed not by man, but by the Lord himself. But in keeping with the Lord’s arrangement he used a man. The man who filled that office, by the Lord’s grace, was Brother Russell. Jesus dearly indicated that during his second presence he would have amongst the church a faithful and wise servant, through whom he would give to the household of faith meat in due season. The evidence is overwhelming concerning the Lord’s second presence, the time of the harvest, and that the office of "that servant” has been filled by Brother Russell. This is not man-worship by any means. It matters not who Charles T. Russell was—whether he was a doctor, a hod-carrier or a seller of shirts. St. Peter was a fisherman; St. Paul a lawyer. But these matters are immaterial. Above all, these men were the chosen vessels of the Lord. Regardless of his earthly avocation, above all, Brother Russell was the Lord’s servant. Then to repudiate him and his work is equivalent to a repudiation of the Lord, upon the principle heretofore announced."

If any JW today denies that Russell was the "slave" and rejects his writings, not only are they anti-Christ, they're also rejecting what the "genuine" slave said in 1922.

Obedience to the cult was even paramount 103 years ago.

Perhaps a "new light" will adjust this teaching.