Good points to keep in mind IW.
Thanks.
i wonder sometimes if to outsiders who visit this and other xjw discussion boards it seems as if xjws never "bought the farm" and that's why they look down on those who did.
there is much ridicule of the rank and file here, why?
if we placed literature, conducted a bible study, brought a bible study to the point of baptism, gave talks, commented at the watchtower study, volunteered,
Good points to keep in mind IW.
Thanks.
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he's going to be a grandad!, .
congratulations eman.
Yes congratulations Grandpa Englishman (or is it Papa Englishman)?
just had 2 elders at my door coming to check up on me.
they asked how i was doing and usual chit chat.
i asked them about if they had seen dateline and about the child abuse problem.
What good causes?! That would be my first question.
Second, pull all the info regarding the "secret file of pediphiles & ask them about this. Then ask them how the 2 eye-witness rule could actually be held as true.
Then, if you really never want to see them again, ask if either of them are on "the list". That oughta get rid of um for a long time.
the wts always taught making money was bad, and those who already had it, should not show it off for fear of offending those who didn't have any.. there were so many witnesses that barely made ends meet, again, taught that making money was bad, getting an education was bad, therefore making it hard even with full time work to make a decent wage, enough to support a family.. since leaving, have you allowed yourself the freedom to explore what is out there, with education, with making money, allowing yourself to prosper in all areas of your life?.
opportunity is out there, to become better people, to make money, live more freely, without the restrictions that the society put on us.
what a relief from the misery of just making enough to get by until "the end.
I wouldn't say I "allowed" it....I would say I've worked my *ss off for it!!!!!
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no way that i could live forever if i had to be near those smelly sugary creatures all day.. what part of new world living gives you the creeps?.
englishman.
Never arguing to make up w/hubby!!!!!!!
Actually, being perfect would be pretty boring - what would people have to talk about?
congratulations simon & angharad!.
when i joined this forum almost a year ago, membership was just cresting the 3000 mark.
i've found this place welcoming, helpful and informative, comforting, humourous, challenging and downright lovable.
Yes - a huge thanks Simon! We are all blessed to have this place.
the two biologicals signed on that dotted line.. putting my life in perspective by strokes of a pen.. this pocket-sized document heralds their premeditated.
crime.
with support from some elders, only a bloody.
Beautiful openminded - did you write this?
i will be in egypt for the next two weeks and when i return i will be pretty tied up with work, school, and the family.
so this will be probably be my last post for a while.
if anything new developments occur please e-mail me.
Lol - send your pic's into the WTBS larry - they might like to use it in their next Awake magazine article - a history on the WTBS - from the beginning w/Charles Russell - to the end! lol
i've been trying to maintain a middle ground amid all the threads where certain allegations of abuse have been questioned and i have a couple questions for everyone and a few observations.
first is asking for evidence of abuse tanamount to scorn and ridicule?
are outward manifestations of abuse enought to convince you?
Valis - excellent points.....it is a tragedy that not only are people abused as children/young adults, but then they must be victimized for perhaps the 3rd or 4th time in order to find some simblance of justice, but that is the way it must be. Persons accused do have a right in our country to be found innocent until proven guilty, regardless of how repugnent one may find them to be, or how much we are SURE of the allegations. It is a "travesty" of justice to the victims courageous enough to come forward, as it makes them have to relive the whole situation all over again. But, it has to be a safeguard in our society.
For example, my own brother was falsely accused by his ex-wife of child abuse. She wanted custody even though she was a two-bit good for nothing excuse of a mother. She didn't have any grounds, so she made some up. Before it was over, alot of people "believed" my brother was a child molestor and although it was 7 years ago there are still those who don't believe any different.
If it were not for the safeguard of being innocent until proven guilty - my brother would probably be on a sex offender list somewhere, being shunned by the community at large.
good to see you online bud .
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37734&page=2&site=3#511186.
wish it was in happier circumstances
Yes, welcome Lawrence - I hope you are able to find peace & encouragement here -