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  attn. all vikings

  by outoftheorg in

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  i am hoping some of the norwegian people on this forum can help me out on this.. my father was born in moss norway in 1879. i would like to get some genealogy on my ancestors and maybe contact some cousins etc.. i have my grandfathers and my grandmothers name and not much else.

  for whatever reason there was little or no comunication between my father and his relatives in norway.

  although there seemed to be no rifts between them.. if you know of some internet sites in norway where i could scan birth records and such i would appreciate your help in geting the addresses.

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  outoftheorg

  I am hoping some of the Norwegian people on this forum can help me out on this.

  My father was born In Moss Norway in 1879. I would like to get some genealogy on my ancestors and maybe contact some cousins etc.

  I have my grandfathers and my grandmothers name and not much else. For whatever reason there was little or no comunication between my father and his relatives in Norway. Although there seemed to be no rifts between them.

  If you know of some internet sites IN NORWAY where I could scan birth records and such I would appreciate your help In geting the addresses. The genealogy sites in USA haven't helped any yet.
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  jw marriages age differences

  by invisible in

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  of 3 that straightaway spring to mind:.

  dg (m) 64 e (f) 27. bm (m) 49 d (f) 18. pl (m) 43 e (f) 18.

  2 of the above were also 'arranged' marriages, do you know of any other instances of extremes in jw marriage age ranges?

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  I recall one rather strange situation. This guy around 18 married this sister when she was around 16. It didn't take too long till they had a child. Then things got stormy in the marriage and they fought a lot. He goes to his mother in law for advice which ended up being "lets go to bed". Apparently he thought that was good advice. This culminated in him divorcing his wife and marrying his mother in law.. He was around 20 and his new wife was around 45. This was apparently not a problem for them, because they soon had a baby. Now she looked to be around 55. He and his brother in law would skateboard together for amusement. Now he was his ex wifes step father, his first childs father and step grandfather, his mother in laws husband and his wifes ex son in law. I don't have a clue as to who the rest of his relations were to him-them-her- and the others.

  I always thought of him as rather an odd fellow.Then after all this I just didn't know what to think. When I would run into him after that I didn't know what to say. I just had this shit eating grin on my face and he did also. Then after my first jw wife abandoned me and our 4 children I found myself a single father. This triggered a lot of attention from some unmarried sisters. One day I go to the tuesday bible study group and there with her baby sat the young sister this guy had married and then divorced in favor of her mother. She gave me this big grin when I walked in. I was terrified.
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  Did the 1914 Generation Die Anyway?

  by JanH in

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  did the 1914 generation die anyway?

  ver since the beginning of the watchtower movement, they have had some sort of deadline for god's activities.these activities could be the rapture of the saints (which jws today do not believe in), the destruction of "false religion", ie every other religious group, or the final end of this world.

  earlier, these deadlines were explicit dates.

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  EXCELLENT!!!! = outstanding value-merit-or virtue-choice-select-superior-valuable-fine.

  your hard work and time spent on this is appreciated.
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  Age Sex Location Occupation Anyone?

  by Perfection Seeker in

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  33 female iowa massage therapist happily married no children (yet).

  anyone else?

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  outoftheorg

  male

  older than dirt i am told

  live in idaho

  retired from jw's 1991. FREE, FREE, FREE AT LAST!!!

  retired from work 1999 having the time of my life.

  married to jw-divorced

  married to WORLDLY WOMAN she is real-honest-loving-forgiving. all one could ask for.

  children- too many.-- jw's forbid vasectomies at that time. love them all but wouldn't give you a nickle for another one.
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  Self esteem question (sorry, no boobs)

  by safe4kids in

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  from what do you draw your self esteem, confidence, feelings of self worth etc.?.

  over the years, i've drawn mine from being a good jw .

  dana

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  HI GUYS. Makes me sad to read about what you are going through.Brings back a lot of memories. In my journey through this I learned that we have a type of filter in our mind that only lets in what we think we deserve in the way of compliments and positive feedback from others. Being a jw for a time will make that filter almost closed to positive thoughts or feed back re. ourselves. The next time someone says something positive about you to you, take notice of how you respond emotionaly. If you find yourself shruging it off as "its nothing" "if anybody can screw it up I can" type of thiking the filter is closed. It is closed to even attempts to build up your self esteem by yourself & others. This means you will have to work on this and you may need some professional help to do so.

  The other thing I learned is that we have to be able to forgive ourselves for things in the past that we wish we had not done or things we ought to have done and the things we lost due to being trapped in the jw borg. Every one makes mistakes "sins if you will". let these things go and teach yourself to believe that you are as good a person as most of us and better than some. learning to accept some praise or complinents with a gracious "thank you" and-- no more-- is the way to start this. Don't say thank you and then denigrate the compliment with an attempt at humility. If you are troubled deeply please do seek professional help. Contrary to jw thinking, this is not an admission of weakness. It is the sensible and very acceptable thing to do.

  I wish you the very best in everything. I can tell by what you wrote that you are a kind and loveable person. You deserve to be loved-cared for- and respected by others and yourself. Make anything short of this an unacceptable option. Remove the word I "should" be this or that from your vocabulary. You are a person unique to yourself. You deserve and can have all the very best the world has to offer.
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  Anti-Evolutionists Wanted !!!!

  by Francois in

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  there is an evolution question bubbling up down the threads a little way, and it minded me to try to really get to the nub of the opposition to the technique.. i would like to pose very serious questions, and i hope they attracts serious, considered responses - once and for all.. why is it impossible, in the minds of anti-evolutionists, that god did indeed create us, the earth, the sun, and everything around us including the entire physical universe, and that evolution was his technique; evolution as a divine technique?

  how do you know, how are you so certain that's not the case?

  how would you explain your opposition to god if he told you personally that, yep, that's the way he did it alright?.

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  HEY, I AM WAY IN OVER MY HEAD HERE FOLKS, BUT HERE GOES.

  I question the validity of some of the scriptural supports used to promote creation. However some of the things I have read about quantum mechanics and the attraction between proton and neutrons and the forming of atoms, leads me to believe there is an intelligent organized force in creation and not the chaos that is usually explained in evoloution.

  That having been said does this mean there is a GOD? "notice the caps there?" I think so. but is this god anything like the bible describes? Does he have a personal interest in us as individuals? I certainly would like to think so. But I am not sure. I can certainly see evidence of adaptation in the different species on earth. But I don't consider that to be the kind of evoloution that would result in all the specific necessary atributes that life needs to survive.

  If I say much more I will probably say something stupid and get CRITICISED so that's it.
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  oral sex

  by lilpumpkin in

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  would someone who was a jw all his life (24 years) know he's not suppose to be giving/receiving oral sex?

  is it possible he might not have heard about this rule?

  does it not apply if the person is disfellowshipped?

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  oral sex??

  am I missing something here?
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  more tales of the abused

  by littleangrypolishgirl in

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  i was raised a jw since childhood.

  besides the emotional trauma that comes with being an outsider from the rest of the real world, my father was phsically, mentally and verbally abusive to my 2 younger sisters and i. apparently my mother seemd to be so brainwashed with the ideas of respect for headship and all the other bs she didn't do anything about the abuse.needless to say my father was also an elder, sheperding the flock while at home beating his children senseless.

  after 20 years of this and all 3 children leaving home by the age of 16,something finally clicked in her head.

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  outoftheorg

  HI LITTLE GIRL.

  Like others have expressed, i am saddened by thinking of how you must feel. The conduct of the elders you describe is no surprise to us. The hate they project towards those who disagree or challenge them is unbelieveable to those outside this org. Unfortunatly hate only begets hate from the victims also. Although it is fully justified on your part use it to destroy any lingering beliefs in the wbts and don't let it destroy you. The many people on this site have all experienced something similar. I found that using this site helped me a lot. Just knowing you are not alone in this is a big help. Keep in touch, ok?
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  to us...

  by teejay in

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  very few people in life will ever understand the struggle that we have endured, conquered, and go on conquering.. i've spent long hours, choosing my words carefully, and my intelligent wife, i feel, still has no clue.. we're still here.

  living.

  moving.

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  outoftheorg

  A TOAST to us. How well deserved. I am a newbie here. Lost faith @ 1978 df'd 1991 with the

  divorce and loss of siblings and some of my children at the same time. SURVIVED IT ALL.

  I Just love the feeling of freedom I finally found after all the other stuff.-depression etc. I do

  appreciate the well thought out advice that some of you post to help an ex jw to carry on and

  survive intact. My "worldly" wife is amazed that any of you and I myself survived all the things I told

  her can and does happen in the org. Seeing some of the posts here helped her to understand what

  I and you went through and some are still going through. I kept quiet for a while to not stir up

  any more problems with my children and my relationships. Now however I run off copies of the

  pertinent information and try to educate my friends and any who are interested in the dangers

  of the wbts and their new light/old light and the people damaged by this sort of thing.

  HERE'S TO US ALL' CLICK-GULP
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  Dear Lucidentity : Try to Understand...

  by Explorer in

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  dear lucidentity :.

  most of the people in this board have what's called a common bond.

  they all share the same "family" of harsh feelings toward the wtbs.

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  outoftheorg

  Hi guys. I am a newby here. I feel the need to reply to this thread. I lost faith in the org.

  around 1977. Hung around till 1990 because I did not want to lose my family and friends.

  I was an elder for about 4 years. When I found a relative of mine had been molested by

  an ELDER relative of mine and 4 other women came forward with acusations against this

  man, one of them being my daughter. I then went to the authorities and found that the case

  re. my daughter was past the statute of limitations. I then went to the elders. The end result

  was, they would not talk to my non witness relative. They said they believed two of the

  victims but, the decision was to do nothing. This triggered my telling them what i thought

  of them. Their attitude toward me from then on was hateful. They encouraged my wife to

  divorce me, and when I confronted them they dfd. me because I in their opinion showed

  rage. They of course told my sisters and brother and my children to shun me. My two

  sisters died and I recieved no info from their families and was not welcome to their burials.

  None of my family with the exception of my children will talk to me.

  In my opinion this is extremely hateful conduct carried on for 10 years now and taught and

  promoted by the WBTS. Life experience and the bible tell us we will reap what we sow. So

  why are you troubled that some of the people they hurt feel hate towards the org. What do

  you expect? LOVE ? The organization earned this hate. It is not directed to the individual

  witness. After all the org. tells their members to HATE the apostates. So hatred is ok in

  their eyes. I believe the hate we feel should be turned into useful anger to expose the profit-

  -prophet status of the WBTS.