Posts by NotFormer

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JWs and Christmas

by Rnadomchris83 in

i have been lurking around here for years.

i'm not a witness, but my in-laws are.

my wife grew up in it but was never baptized.

NotFormer

"Anyway, her husband came over for the weekly visit last night. She stated that on (JW) TikTok there are talks of them allowing people to celebrate Christmas..."

Suddenly, the possibility that the WT may allow such things makes sense! It allows people like your in-laws to invite estranged or distant family to a family gathering where they can take the hold of the narrative. That makes sense in the broader world, but in America and Canada, Thanksgiving would be the appropriate holiday to commandeer. Bethel could provide the appropriate "discussion" topics at the table and an appropriate form of prayer* before the meal.

* Not Grace; they don't believe in grace 😉

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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change

by Listener in

a change to their doctrine came from jackson.

this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.

but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.

NotFormer

blondie, I was scratching my head about their estimate of how long Noah took to build the Ark when I read that article in the 90s. I knew about the 120 years and that they claim to be the new ark and saw that they could claim the new ark could take 120 years to get everyone in, thus giving themselves a new date of 2034.

They never did though. Perhaps even they got sick of date setting.

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News of fires out of control in California

by ballistic in

jw
friends

hope everyone near to the region affected in california is ok. it's shocking to hear of the destruction.

these affected areas are some of the places i visited when i came on a tour of the us.

malibu, santa barbera, la, santa monica, hollywood and so on..

NotFormer

I don't see how WT can cash in on this* nor how individual JWs can wonder if this is the big A. Bushfires don't make up much of the end times literature.

* Prophetically speaking, that is. Of course they'll have their hand out, claiming they will use any proffered funds for disaster relief. 🙄

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Do children still get destroyed at Armageddon?

by Anony Mous in

i know back in the day, that was taught, that if the parents were going to be destroyed, so would the children.

i just can't easily find reference to anything.

this thinking has been used to justify some egregious behavior towards children and their parents such as exclusion of children from jw family - why worry, the end is near, all will work itself out then - the end didn't come though.

NotFormer

Mikejw - “New light is everyone makes it through Armageddon unless really bad.”

Vidiot: "At that point, YTF even bother with Armageddon?"

It does seem like the whole exercise is somewhat flawed. 🤔

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What the org SAYS, but what it really MEANS!

by BoogerMan in

w16 april p. 9 par.

17 being faithful gullible leads to god’s the cult's approval - thousands of young christian men and women are willingly sacrificing marriage or are not having children - at least for now - in order to serve jehovah the borg to the full.

older ones too may be sacrificing the time they could otherwise spend with their children and grandchildren in order to work on theocratic construction projects supply free labour or to attend the school for kingdom evangelizers receive deeper indoctrination and to serve in areas where the need for kingdom publishers more suckers is greater.

NotFormer

Are they still flogging that tired old horse 🐎 of not getting married and having children? They wouldn't have the numbers they have today if former generations of JWs hadn't disobeyed Bethel and created a generation or two of "born-ins".

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IICSA Final Report

by Phizzy in

the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.

to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.

the first and last sentences.

NotFormer

"Fixed that for you. 😏"

Admittedly, I'm probably being a bit too circumspect in my statements 🤔 That's the second statement of mine you've had to fix! 😳

Back to the subject, did the British parliament really just vote against a full inquiry into this whole grooming gang issue? 😲

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IICSA Final Report

by Phizzy in

the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.

to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.

the first and last sentences.

NotFormer

"Fixed that for you"

I thought of further clarifying that myself, but I'm sick of writing that bastard's name. When it comes to damage done to the organisation and its people, that bloke must be up there with da Judge.

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Changing the Date of the Memorial?

by KalebOutWest in

i noticed in the latest memorial invitation, the dates for the observance are odd--well far more odd than usual.. what i mean is that forever as i can remember, jehovah's witnesses use to advertise really big that this was nisan 14. they don't tend to do this anymore.. and being jewish, their dates now tend to align with passover, or at least with the second seder night of passover.. 2025: saturday, april 12 (nisan 15).

2026: thursday, april 2 (nisan 15/16).

2027: monday, march 22 (nisan 15/16).

NotFormer

"'Twas NIsan 14 when your glory was seen..."

You're yankin' my chain! 😳 Please tell me that this wasn't a real line in a real song*! 🙄

If real, tell me the name of the song, please.

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IICSA Final Report

by Phizzy in

the english legal system's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse has issued its final report, and its recommendations.

to read the report in full just google iicsa report, if you search on the iicsa site you can find the specific investigation into j.w's.. but this recommendation from the final report is interesting, esp.

the first and last sentences.

NotFormer

"The Home Secretary in the UK, Yvette Cooper, has announced today in Parliament that it will be mandatory for professionals in a position of trust – including teachers, doctors, priests and social workers – to report child sexual abuse that they know of"

Hopefully elders will be captured within those definitions. "...that they know of" allows too much wiggle room, IMO. Unless the CSA is established in the mouth of two or three witnesses, the elder doesn't KNOW anything, according to WT law as based on their peculiar understanding of Mosaic law.

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Beliefs clarified - A big fat WTF for 2025

by ukpimo in

jehovah’s witnesses have an official page for clarified beliefs they encourage elders, ministerial servants, regular pioneers, as well as all the rest of the elite, to keep up to date with:.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174.

2025 has a curious clarification:.

NotFormer

"Generally speaking, a couple would not discuss with others this intimate aspect of their marriage."

That would include discussions with elders, would it not? Would the above quote be strong enough to use against an elder or two who get a bit too curious? Or is it just more "plausible deniability"?