Posts by QuietOne

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Judge rejects girl's request to stop transfusion

by Lady Lee in

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news story .

judge rejects alta girl's request to stop transfusions due to religion.

carol harrington .

QuietOne

Lady Lee,
Thanks for the post. I live in Canada and have often wondered what would happen if my child ever required a blood transfusion. My wife is a JW and I am not so the circumstances would be exactly the same. I love it when the WT loses!

JT,
We can only hope that the WT will change the blood policy within the next five years. I for one think that this is somewhat optimistic. Some of the JWs I've spoken with take issue with the WT changing their policy to allow them to have any portion of blood. Given these people might be the minority (who really knows) and it didn't bother them enough to question why the changes were made. When people think of JWs they think of the blood thing and the Christmas thing, changing this would change the way the world perceives the religion. I think they're working towards it but are very fearful of how the rank and file will react.

Just my humble opinion.
QO

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Do JW's Actually Believe This Stuff?!?

by Mister Biggs in

this was just forwarded to me.. (we need more comets to help take all of the stupid people away from among us!).

this comes from the branch in canada....... in england one of our blind brothers had a seeing-eye dog that would.

faithfully guide and take him to the meetings each week.

QuietOne

Would you not be embarassed repeating that story to someone? You would have to be a child to believe a story like that.

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Help: Looking for family Lawyer with JW experienc

by QuietOne in

for my own piece of mind i would like to talk with a family lawyer who has experience in dealing with custody cases involving jws.

if anyone is aware of anyone or can pass along links it would be greatly appreciated.. ps - i am located in canada.

QuietOne

Please disregard my earlier post. I've decided that the best thing would be for me to come to some kind of agreement with my wife. Smile and eat **** if you will. Not all the time, just when there has been a particularly good meeting or study topic. Things aren't really that bad and the sanity and well-being of my child will always come first. Besides, I figure if I provide a balanced approach to life the kid has a better chance of making the break later on.

Cheers,
QO

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your not xjw you are x watchtower

by compton in

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your still dedicated and baptised witnesses of jehovah, but you are free on this board to.

shout from the house tops to the whole world what jesus tells you in secret!

remember his command !

QuietOne

Francois,

You obviously paid enough attention to reply.

I was disappointed with your post. You usually have more of a point to make. You must be bored this evening to be picking apart someone's grammar.

Cheers,
QO

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what does the watchtower teach that is wrong.

by jerome in

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ok i know what you are going to say.. so dont say it.

just bare with me here.. i really really need to compile a comprehensive list of doctrines or .

teachings that the watchtower is currently holding that is wrong.. can you try to be objective?.

QuietOne

Jerome,

My response to your earlier post was a bit negative (although I feel it was the truth) but I admire your determination. I was in the exact same position as yourself a few months ago.

You don't need a huge list of doctrine issues. I feel you would be better served with only few key points. Give her a point and let her think about it... keep in mind her instinct will be to run to the elders and ask them how she should think about it. I was successful in making a couple of points with my girlfriend and so one day I decided I'd dump a pile of them on her and that ended it for me. For some reason she could try to reason through one or two points I'd made but once a gave her a huge list she thought I was out to get the Watchtower and wouldn't listen any more.

I would also advise you to stay with events that happened as recently as possible. If you go with the old stuff that everyone seems to recomend you'll simply run into the "new light" bs and you may once again lose her attention. Once you have her attention then hit her with the old stuff. Avoid overwhelming her.

I'm sure you know this but only use their books to make your points. Once again the more recent the publication the better.

Check out: http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/
and http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/jodrellbank/hyperdrive/479/

The first site is an excellent source for quotes and the second site tells the story of a guy who accomplished what you're trying to do. It took him 4 years.

Hope this helps,
QO

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forget it

by jerome in

i would like to ask ew-jws jw a question.

when you read the book crisis of conscience how instrumental was that book in getting you to leave the organisation.. i have a gf who is an active jw.... i by the way am wordly.

this religion thing is putting strain on our relationship.. she condems me for obtaining information about the watchtower from apostates or just about anyone who has something yo say about the org.

QuietOne

Jerome,

You must be crazy for your girlfriend to be attempting to change her but if at all possible I'd forget the whole thing and move on.

I too am not a witness and never have been. When I met my girlfriend she didn't mention the witness stuff for a long time and actually had not been active for many years. Everything was perfect and we eventually ended up having a child. We had agreed before hand that the child would not be raised a witness. Well... she has changed her mind entirely and now my life is hell (figuratively).

My point is that even though many leave they still hold the beliefs to be true and in many if not most cases I figure it's impossible to shake them. I've had witnesses come to the door on Saturday (for the benefit of my gf), had them in to explain their views and even though I have shown weaknesses in the points they are making they eventually say something to the effect that my questioning (more like poking holes in their beliefs) has made them feel stronger in their conviction. They are devoid of reason when it comes to their beliefs. Black, white, truth, lie... To question their faith is to question God himself.

All religions offer their believers a hope for something existing when we die. The real truth is that no one will know for sure what happens when we die until we make the trip ourselves. For witnesses that hope is more tangible than any other religion I am familiar with... living forever in a paradise on earth... some people need to know that this is what is going to happen, my girlfriend does and nothing I or anyone else says or doese is going to change that. To take that belief away she would have to come to terms with the fact that she might never again see her family and friends that have already died. Why would she want to take away a warm, fuzzy feeling like that?

Sorry if I sound bitter but the simple fact is that I am! Trust me Jerome even if she leaves there is no garentee that she won't go back. What if you have kids? Would you want them raised as JWs? I have friends that are witnesses, they're great people and I enjoy their time but after researching a little bit I always wonder if they don't stay friendly with a worldly guy like me in the hopes that one day they will be able to start a bible study. You know this is always on their mind... they love penciling in all those study hours on their little witness calendars.

Cut your losses and leave now.
QO

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Help: Looking for family Lawyer with JW experienc

by QuietOne in

for my own piece of mind i would like to talk with a family lawyer who has experience in dealing with custody cases involving jws.

if anyone is aware of anyone or can pass along links it would be greatly appreciated.. ps - i am located in canada.

QuietOne

For my own piece of mind I would like to talk with a family lawyer who has experience in dealing with custody cases involving JWs. If anyone is aware of anyone or can pass along links it would be greatly appreciated.

PS - I am located in Canada.

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WT Becoming More Secular?

by crochunter in

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i was raised in the "truth" and my mom is still very dedicated to being a witness.

i've noticed that over time, the society seems to have gotten more secular, or at least it appears so.. for example, the blood issue is now more secular, you can't be disfellowshipped.. also, being able to accept military civil service instead of going to jail.

i also read that a witness can now attend holiday celebrations with their unbelieving mate.. has anyone noticed this as well?

QuietOne

Crochunter et al,

I have read a great deal about the blood issues and stumbled across things on the alternate military service but have not read anything about holiday celebrations. Could you (or anyone) tell me where I could find more information on this subject?

Thanks,
QuietOne

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"The Organization is Dying"

by metatron in

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suppose the organization scores a couple years of net, objective.

decline of publishers, using their own statistics.

can you imagine what the effect would be?

QuietOne

Metatron,

I must be missing something. How would "The orgaization is dying" refute anything they believe. In my opinion this is on par with grade 2 and saying "I know you are but what am I". Given this may cause a few to quite I think it would make some even more determined to stay and get out there and publish more.

QuietOne

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Enabling - Good or Bad

by indireneed in

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i've got a bit of a question, or maybe a poll .

.. my wife is a jw and i am not.

that pretty much sums up or life.

QuietOne

Indireneed,

Making her get a job reminds me of a non-JW I knew. His reasoning was quite similar to your own... he was enabling her to go at the witness thing full force but not making her work so he made her get a job. She started to do well in her job and the plan backfired on the guy. Suddenly she had the means to support herself, couple this with the religion thing at home and pretty soon he was divorced.

This can't hold true for all cases. Pierced Angel makes clear that it was starting her own business (gaining independence) that helped her break free. I know many witnesses that don't have anything (ie. no interests, no real friends, no life) outside of the hall but most of these individuals didn't have a life before they joined.

Sometimes I think the best way to reach people is to look at the reasons why they joined. I honestly believe that you have to be missing something to get involved with the WT.

QuietOne