Posts by Roamingfeline

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JanG, come clean!!!!

by Roamingfeline in

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the following quote is one taken from h20 after you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:.

i agree that if they feel that something is wrong with rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as jw's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

in the original post you put "shooting the wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing rick and his methods of moderating his forum.

Roamingfeline

Please remove me from your list, Jan. I'm getting wayyyyy too much mail to
handle, and I"m moving to the USA soon. Thanks!
Ms T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Groenveld" < [email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn,alt.support.ex-cult
To: "JanG" < [email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 4:49 PM
Subject: Common Psychological Problems of Mind Manipulation

Hi Jan,
Please remove me from your mailing list.. I'm shutting down this
account...getting ready for my move to the USA. Thanks!
T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Groenveld" < [email protected]>
To: "JanG" < [email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:48 AM

If you post them to Tishie's, Simon's, or H2O's new board, I'll get 'em. :-)
T
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Groenveld" < [email protected]>
To: "LadyWolf/MsT" < [email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: Re:
> On Thu, 24 May 2001, LadyWolf/MsT wrote:
>
> > We're closing this addy this week.. but I'll let you know when we get
over
> > to the US and are back up and running again.
>
> OK .... jsut needed to know since there are a few things in the wind I
thought
> you may like to be on top of <G>
>
> Jan

Jan, there's all three emails, complete with dates. How the hell you can get "ambiguous" from three separate POLITE requests I would sure like to know! This "not knowing who I was" stuff just doesn't wash. You knew who the emails were sent from, and you knew where you were SENDING the emails. It only makes sense that you should have known to take THAT PARTICULAR email address off your mailing list. Besides that, just the other night in the chat room, you asked me when we were going to the US? That was BEFORE all this was posted, so you knew EXACTLY who I was!!!!

How far do I have to take this to get you to admit you didn't do what was right? And do you admit that I'm not the only one this has happened to? Jan, how deep does this denial problem go?

RCat

28

JanG, come clean!!!!

by Roamingfeline in

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the following quote is one taken from h20 after you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:.

i agree that if they feel that something is wrong with rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as jw's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

in the original post you put "shooting the wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing rick and his methods of moderating his forum.

Roamingfeline

The following quote is one taken from H20 AFTER you claimed on this forum that you weren't posting your "Compassion" post in order to incite guilt feelings within this forum:

I agree that if they feel that something is wrong with Rick then they are certainly shooting the wounded - but that is typical cult behaviour - they learnt this as JW's .... they just haven't learnt the compassion they so much desired to see within the organization themselves yet.

In the original post you put "Shooting the Wounded" in bold letters, effectively showing that you posted that diatribe in order to make people who were denouncing Rick and his methods of moderating his forum. You claimed in this forum that it was posted "for the newbies".

Also, in the same "Compassion" thread, I brought to your attention that your controlling tactics were proven by the fact that you sign people up to your "email list" without their permission, then when they NICELY ask to be removed, you totally ignore their wishes! I have it on good authority that I am far from the only one you have done this to. When I brought this to your attention, in order for you to possibly do some soul searching and ask yourself if you're not being a bit too controlling like the WTBTS, you came back with some ridiculous answer, about how I should have ASKED you to remove my name from your list in the first place. Jan, it is rude and bad netiquette to add ANYONE to your email list without their express permission or request. Furthermore, I had already stated that I asked you previously THREE TIMES to remove my email from your list, when you came up with that little jewel of an answer. Anyone who may be interested will find that answer in the "Compassion" thread on this forum.

My questions to you are: Why did you claim to have posted that to the newbies only, when your post to H20 proves conclusively that it WAS to incite guilt into former posters to H20?

And why do you sign people up to your email list without their permission, then fail to remove them from it when they request it MULTIPLE TIMES in a nice and polite manner?

Third and last, Why, when I asked you about it, did you try to blame ME and tell me I should have asked you to remove me, when I had in fact already asked you to MULTIPLE TIMES?

RCat

13

A short statement on the long shift

by Preston in

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as a sit writing this i will say that i am possibly going through one of the toughest times of my life right now.

i have recently told the elders of my congregation that i have identified myself as "queer" and it has been one of the toughest roads i have ever had to walk.

i am not trying to offend anyone on the boards by telling you this but i feel that it's important to live honestly and my decission to "come out" to people in the congregation is one based on trying to live honestly.

Roamingfeline

(((((((((((Preston)))))))))))) I truly admire your integrity and courage. You had the courage to stand for your convictions. These men are not trained to be compassionate. They are trained in guilt and control tactics. You can prevail, but you have to be firm and one step ahead of them when it comes to the crunch. Do you have relatives still in? Is that why you don't wish to DA? I have a friend who has just gone through the same thing as you have described. He just told them to leave him alone. He hasn't done anything Biblically wrong, and he hasn't been to a meeting since. I can put you in touch with him if you'd like to discuss your situation. Feel free to email me.

RCat

22

How far has America come?

by Mulan in

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this was sent to me today.

i thought it was an interesting statement on how far america has come.

) sorry it's kind of jumbled.

Roamingfeline

Well said, Jan H and Seeker. I certainly don't want my children forced to endure prayers to anyone else's God, and I don't even want them forced to acknowledge there is a God if they don't see for themselves that there is one. Let freedom ring, and that includes freedom from religion!

RCat

10

Put another dime in the jukebox baby!

by Kismet in

juke box hero.

he's a juke box hero.

stars in his eyes

Roamingfeline

Oooh.. I just love Billy Joel's music.

RCat

13

Just a little piece of me!

by VeniceIT in

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i just got to thinking (scary i know), who am i???

we are the people we are because of what weve been through and the experiences weve had, but what if everything i we lived was fake??

i mean i really feel like i was living in the truman show.

Roamingfeline

Yep, Outaservice is right, Ven. What you're going through is a normal process. Any of us who have been out for a few years can identify with where you're at. Big hugs, you're doing fine girl, and I love your spirit! I bet the Smelders hated it though.

Hugs,
RCat

20

American Identity

by Amazing in

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i enjoyed englishman's post about americans vs europeans.

i chose to start a new thread because i want to take the topic in another direction.. the usa is still a young nation and an enigma.

the nation was created by european settlers who wanted to get away from things they did not like about europe, especially religious intolerance and inflexible governments, and have the opportunity to build a new future.

Roamingfeline

Having lived in Australia the past 2.5 years, and having traveled to Asia also (and one day we will for sure go to Europe, as my husband is German born and reared), I would like to voice my feelings on this subject. Thanks for the opportunity, Amazing. Good post. You too, Uncanny.

When I came to Australia, I had previously only been to Mexico. Reared in middle America, I am a true blue one by blood. In my entire 45 years on earth, I have NEVER felt like my country of birth was "Above" other countries or cultures. Different, yes, very priveleged, most certainly, but not better or worse.

In Australia, I have made quite a few friends, and learned a different culture. Not one I always agree with, but this country has alot of beauty, and alot of potential, if the greed and corruption I see running rampant in their government don't bring them to ruin. It is a very young country, but with old roots. Very cosmopolitan, a melting pot of different countries and cultures, especially here in the west, in the Perth area. Alot of Asian influence here.

Yes, I said some things in the previous thread in response to Prisca's obvious put-downs of Americans. She do well to remember that even the country music her hometown is so proud of came from American culture.

My husband and I will always have homes in Australia, and will think of it as "home" at least part of the time, no matter where we live. I have a fondness for the country, and most of the people. I can't say I like their government, but then again, the American government certainly has it's drawbacks as well! It is my experience that people see what they wish to see, and hear what they wish to hear. American culture IS infiltrating everywhere, for sure. You see McDonalds, KFC, Burger King (Hungry Jacks in Oz) everywhere you turn, even in Asia. American TV shows are shown here daily. If they didn't like those parts of our culture, they wouldn't be here, would they?

Just as one person in another country doesn't have to like everything about American's, we don't have to like everything in your culture. Take meat pies, for instance. Who the hell wants to eat that garbage which has animal blood and all sorts of gawd awful crap in it? See? Just my opinion. Some of you may eat those things with relish! (not relish as in pickles) I know several of my Ozzie friends do, with tomato sauce (ketchup) and they love them. UGH! But that doesn't make me like my friends any less. We ARE STILL CLOSE FRIENDS. Get my drift? Celebrate your differences, but love one another, and try to get to know one another and accept the differences. That's all it takes.

RCat

Live as you will wish to have lived when you are dying.

-- Christian Furchtegott Gellert

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American / European Incomprehension.

by Englishman in

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reading through some of the posts re the mcveigh debate, it's obvious that there is a huge divide between the usa and europe over many issues, in particular with reference to the way that society should deal with deviants.. i think that there is a lot of other cultural differences between our societies, and i'm just wondering if this is why the wtbts has had a far higher "conversion factor" in the usa than in europe.. some of the phraseology contained in the watchtower magazines is incomprehensible to europeans.

i remember that words that are in common usage now, were, when first used in the wt, totally baffling.. the expression "no way" wasn't in common use until years after the wt featured it, like wise with "points up", also "right on" meant nothing to anyone.

indeed, many return visits to placed magazine householders resulted in them asking a bewildered dub for an explanation of these then strange terms.

Roamingfeline

Prisca's Australian.
Doesn't sound any better though, does it?

Yeah, Waiting, especially considering the Australian's have to import nearly everything they use down here. Cheap made imports at that! I know of hardly anything they manufacture for themselves, except beer worthy of being called horse-piss. And the building styles down here, don't get me started. Can you say 'waferboard and glue'?

RCat

Live as you will wish to have lived when you are dying.

-- Christian Furchtegott Gellert

53

American / European Incomprehension.

by Englishman in

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friends

reading through some of the posts re the mcveigh debate, it's obvious that there is a huge divide between the usa and europe over many issues, in particular with reference to the way that society should deal with deviants.. i think that there is a lot of other cultural differences between our societies, and i'm just wondering if this is why the wtbts has had a far higher "conversion factor" in the usa than in europe.. some of the phraseology contained in the watchtower magazines is incomprehensible to europeans.

i remember that words that are in common usage now, were, when first used in the wt, totally baffling.. the expression "no way" wasn't in common use until years after the wt featured it, like wise with "points up", also "right on" meant nothing to anyone.

indeed, many return visits to placed magazine householders resulted in them asking a bewildered dub for an explanation of these then strange terms.

Roamingfeline

Oops, forgot to say, Thanks, Tina! I appreciate the kind words.

Actually, I never got a whuppin' like that, but my Dad says I probably needed one a few times.

RCat

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American / European Incomprehension.

by Englishman in

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friends

reading through some of the posts re the mcveigh debate, it's obvious that there is a huge divide between the usa and europe over many issues, in particular with reference to the way that society should deal with deviants.. i think that there is a lot of other cultural differences between our societies, and i'm just wondering if this is why the wtbts has had a far higher "conversion factor" in the usa than in europe.. some of the phraseology contained in the watchtower magazines is incomprehensible to europeans.

i remember that words that are in common usage now, were, when first used in the wt, totally baffling.. the expression "no way" wasn't in common use until years after the wt featured it, like wise with "points up", also "right on" meant nothing to anyone.

indeed, many return visits to placed magazine householders resulted in them asking a bewildered dub for an explanation of these then strange terms.

Roamingfeline

Hey Larc,

A few years ago, my cousin had a 57 Red/white Corvette, a real beauty in mint condition. He "fell in lust" with a woman who had three kids, and sold the car for 35,000 in order to buy a house. Last year they got divorced, and he's SORRY he sold that car! lol Of course, now he has a brand new Harley, so he's not hurting, vehicle-wise.

RCat