Posts by KAYTEE

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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

by Hobo Ken in

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friends

this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

KAYTEE

I think it is very easy to attack an elder on too wide a subject, I have done it many a time.

It’s very easy to allow a subject to go from one to another, this can happen when you have got the elder on the run.

What I found was to make them answer the point in question (not easily done when they are wrong) before attacking the next, then reminding them what they have just said before carrying on.

As been said many a time, little will come out of it.

Saying;

Never argue with a fool, he will drag you down to his level, then beet you with experience!!

KT

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Show-down with elder at the kingdom hall

by Hobo Ken in

jw
friends

this is podcast 8 in the death or obedience series.. this was recorded on christmas day 2008.. after our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a jehovah's witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in november 2008.. we had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter.

he also made false statements about one of my children.. i decided to confront this elder at the kingdom hall.

this podcast is the recording of our conversation.. notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to jehovah's witnesses.. i ask whether it's a sin to no longer be a jehovah's witness?.

KAYTEE

hoboken,

Having had many, many a run-in with elders, I was impressed with the way you tackled the situation.

I don’t think I could have kept my cool as well as you did.

The secret here is what you have done, that is, to record the conversation.

On too many occasions I have found that they will lie their way out of a situation (it seems second nature for them to use this tactic).

My wife and I have been out now for 7 years, the longer we are out the MORE we see them for what they really ARE.

Hope all your family come out together intact.

KT

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2009 Circuit Assembly Program - Devil's crafty acts in "education"

by truthseeker in

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for your viewing pleasure:.

2008 2009 keep conquering the evil with the good circuit assembly of jehovahs witnesses.

saturday .

KAYTEE

I finished my working days as a refrigeration engineer (not a window cleaner) having spent many years in the trade after a 5 years apprenticeship.

This did not stop them EXPECTING me to gift them a freezer, for their Bristol assembly hall kitchens.

Where would the Org. be if they were all window cleaners, (I do not have anything against window cleaning), but how could they respond to all the litigation actions that have come their way, if they had not made sure they employed this special level of skills!!.

I don't think you can build a massive empire, employing just window cleaners

Did Jesus Christ go against the society by learning a trade in carpentry?

KT

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Is Being Disfellowshipped or Disassociated All That Bad?

by minimus in

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most jws dread the thought of never being talked to again by a fellow "brother" or "sister".

the thought of being shunned by your flesh and blood keeps many witnesses in the religion.. is df'ing or dissasociation all that terrible?

?.

KAYTEE

My wife and I resigned when we found out about the U.N. and ALL the other things.

That did not stop them disfellowshiping us.

I came into this Org. because I thought that I had found THE GOD and an Org. that had the answers to life.

It took us 30years to find out that they had been lying to us for all those years.

The only thing I have going for me is my principles, therefore I felt to carry on as a member would be to become as vile and as low as them, we feel a lot better having done that.

KT

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Bethel reductions in Europe

by Lost-In-Translation in

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perhaps this has been discussed before, but at the extjforo.com (the spanish ex-witness website) there has been a lot of discussion of the governing body's decision to either close or severely reduce bethel homes in europe - in particular spain.

there was even a letter sent to all congregations in spain explaining the situation.

bethalites are being asked to leave - they are not even getting other assignments.

KAYTEE

Are the Society violating the rules of the Charity Commision (UK laws) when they sell the Spanish establishment and then put the sale proceeds into the kitty at the US Bethel. Below is a link to a website

re: RESTRICTED FUNDS TO CHARITIES AND WHAT THE DONATIONS CAN BE USED FOR.

http://www.fit4funding.org.uk/help_and_advice/spending/restricted_funding/

Restricted Fund Accounting - WYCAS
Introduction

The key point about fund accounting is that funds given for a specific purpose must be used only for that purpose, so the accounting records and the annual accounts must distinguish between the different types of funds according to the terms under which they were given (note that the term funds is used throughout to refer not only to money but to property and assets of any sort given to an organisation).

Restricted Income Funds
These are funds, which are subject to special trusts specified by the donor (for example by a letter from the donor at the time of the donation or by the terms of a public appeal). They can only be used for the purposes for which they are given, and if they are used for any other purpose it may be viewed as fraud or deception.

INTERESTING THOUGHT

KT

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Spanish JW's Upset Over Bethel Move

by Gary1914 in

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on april 1, 2009 a letter was sent from the governing body of jehovahs witnesses to congregations in spain informing them that the printing, shipping, and storage of watchtower publications would be discontinued at the madrid branch office.

the letter expressed confidence that the spanish witnesses would, despite the move, continue to generously support the world wide work and ends with an appeal to remain united under the direction of the witness leadership.. at a glance, this story may seem like a non-issue, perhaps, just another example of reorganization and consolidation within a multinational corporation; however, the dissolution of the printing branch has caused considerable hard feelings among some of jehovahs witnesses in spain.

to understand the reason we must first look at the history behind the branch office and external factors that some feel prompted this abrupt move.. early in their history, jehovahs witnesses began printing their trademark watchtower magazines and associated books and tracts in-house at their bethel headquarters in brooklyn, new york.

KAYTEE

More information re: RESTRICTED FUNDS to a charity

a) Restricted Income Funds
These are funds, which are subject to special trusts specified by the donor (for example by a letter from the donor at the time of the donation or by the terms of a public appeal). They can only be used for the purposes for which they are given, and if they are used for any other purpose it may be viewed as fraud or deception.

INTERESTING THOUGHT

KT

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Spanish JW's Upset Over Bethel Move

by Gary1914 in

jw
friends

on april 1, 2009 a letter was sent from the governing body of jehovahs witnesses to congregations in spain informing them that the printing, shipping, and storage of watchtower publications would be discontinued at the madrid branch office.

the letter expressed confidence that the spanish witnesses would, despite the move, continue to generously support the world wide work and ends with an appeal to remain united under the direction of the witness leadership.. at a glance, this story may seem like a non-issue, perhaps, just another example of reorganization and consolidation within a multinational corporation; however, the dissolution of the printing branch has caused considerable hard feelings among some of jehovahs witnesses in spain.

to understand the reason we must first look at the history behind the branch office and external factors that some feel prompted this abrupt move.. early in their history, jehovahs witnesses began printing their trademark watchtower magazines and associated books and tracts in-house at their bethel headquarters in brooklyn, new york.

KAYTEE

A queston,

Are the Society violating the rules of the Charity Commision when they sell the printing presses and establishment and then put the sale proceeds into the kitty at Bethel

Below is a link to a website re: RESTRICTED FUNDS TO CHARITIES AND WHAT THE DONATIONS CAN BE USED FOR.

PLEASE SEE THIS WEBSITE http://www.fit4funding.org.uk/help_and_advice/spending/restricted_funding/

Restricted Fund Accounting - WYCAS

Introduction

The key point about fund accounting is that funds given for a specific purpose must be used only for that purpose, so the accounting records and the annual accounts must distinguish between the different types of funds according to the terms under which they were given (note that the term funds is used throughout to refer not only to money but to property and assets of any sort given to an organisation).

KT

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