Posts by Sabine

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Gilgamesh mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Leolaia in

in prior posts, i discussed how older ane material from canaanite and sumerian/akkadian tradition can survive quite late.

in 1 enoch, for example, we see how a famed rephaim from canaanite epic poetry, the wise judge danel (cf.

ktu 1.17-19), mentioned in ezekiel 14:12-20, 28:1-3, was recast as a fallen angel in 1 enoch 6:7, 69:2 (see [1] for discussion), and how the stories of enoch's journey to the ends of the earth and into the underworld mimic that from the epic of gilgamesh (cf.

Sabine

Leolalia,

Thanks for the great post, very interesting info. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh for a school project, and it had a huge impact on my attitude toward the Bible. As JWs we were taught the bible is God's inspired word only shared with his chosen people, the fact is that many of the bible stories come from much older myths. I look forward to:

I've got a lot of new fantastic stuff, btw, on the primeval traditions of Genesis that I'll try to post sometime in the near future (the Canaanite background of the Garden of Eden story is just amazing)

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"Must Do" list after leaving the borg

by doodle-v in

jw
friends

what would you list as the top "must do's" after leaving the borg?.

it can be serious or goofy.. im in a goofy mood tonight so here's mine.. 1. give oral sex.

2. recive oral sex.

Sabine

A lot of mine had to do with grooming...after controlling my very curly ethnic hair all my JW life, I looked like I could be in a Twisted Sister video, wear very short skirts, very low tops and best of all go to a nude beach and get NAKED!!!

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Welcome chok!

by Valis in

jw
friends

greetings and welcome to the board.

look forward to hearing your story.. .

sincerely,.

Sabine

When I saw the lei I got all excited thinking there was an exJW from Hawaii, but I see you are from across the other "pond". Welcome Chok, Aloha anyways!!

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My 17 year old got a $103 ticket...doesn't drive but

by Sabine in

jw
friends

our 17 year old son doesn't drive, so when he came home with a $103 ticket i was shocked, what did you do j-walk...no he was caught smoking across the street from his high school.

it was a minor in possession of tabacco violation.

jeez, $103 for that...i've seen hundreds of underage kids smoking, i had no idea this was a possibility.

Sabine

Our 17 year old son doesn't drive, so when he came home with a $103 ticket I was shocked, what did you do J-walk...NO he was caught smoking across the street from his high school. It was a minor in possession of tabacco violation. Jeez, $103 for that...I've seen hundreds of underage kids smoking, I had no idea this was a possibility. When I was in school, the smoke would billow out of the restrooms, no one I knew ever got in trouble. Did you guys know about this? We live in Washington state, maybe it's a local thing.

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I played tennis last night and.................

by desib77 in

i suck at it.

i don't even know how to keep score.

anyone else play?

Sabine

I love tennis, maybe if my parents would have got me lessions I could have been really good at it. My tip, besides getting lessions before bad habits are established, is you have to practice alot. We live in Seattle, and with the rainy weather we play alot for a few months then wait months for a sunny day. You have to be consistent to really improve. Great exercise though...and very humbling.

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The Bad In Jehovah's Witnesses

by minimus in

jw
friends

can you really even think of anything?

Sabine

The more I search for my own spiritual balance, the more I see that what was totaly damaging about the JW religion is how they totally remove your connection to the divine source. Not only is Jesus not your personal mediator (only for the anointed), you are not to trust your own mind and heart (very treacherous, who can trust it). You need to rely on their interpretation of what is pleasing to God.

I no longer consider myself a Christian, but I think there are "truths" in many different sources. "The kindom is within you" is for me the greatest truth Jesus spoke.

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Death of a child

by wtphobic in

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friends

what kind of person tells his non jw granddaughter that the death of her infant son is a "sign of the times"?

i don't know his staus in the org, but i know that "the pressure" is now on to convince her of the error of her ways- even been suggested that had she been a jw- this might not happen....unbelieveable- please- help me understand the twisted jw stand on death and dying and grieving

Sabine

Hi wtphobic,

I too am so sorry to hear of this gross behavior, unfortunately, it isn't uncommon from my personal experiences. My inactive JW sister-in-law was told after the death of her mom that she should come back to the JWs so she could see her mother again in the resurrection.

When my 21 year old daughter died (she was a regular pioneer of four years), we got no comfort, and a week later they were telling me to go back out in service...get back to the important things. I was also very angry after her death, and they all said they couldn't understand the anger. I read several books on grieving and anger is a classic response. They even have a booklet on how to speak to grieving ones, it specifically stated people are in shock, angry, etc. after the death of a loved one, and to be loving towards them. I guess many just don't even read their own liturature.

I found a good counselor to talk to that specialized in this area and it was extremely helpful, I would highly recommend it for your friend. Take care,

Sabine

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Confrontation has its place

by Maverick in

i know most of you wouldn't read this, after-all it might improve your life and you don't want that do you?.

no sane person enjoys confrontation.

we like to be liked and thought well of.

Sabine

But being willing and able to confront someone when the need arises can be a valuable tool in your ongoing quest for inner peace and happiness

I totally agree, I've confronted three people in particular on behavior I just couldn't let go by in the last year. One key point I try to convey is that I cannot and do not claim to read their hearts and minds, or know their motives behind the behavior. All I can do is express how their behavior made me feel. I told them that I valued them as a person, and their behavior was so inconsistant with the great person I know them to be, I felt I had to point it out. I think the more nonjudgemental you can be the better, lots of our behavior is coming from subconsious stuff we are not aware of. Few are evil premediators, and these I stay far away from.

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A JW just telephoned me... heh heh heh...

by Quotes in

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friends

it must be the end-of-the-mont-scramble to get time in.

i just got off the phone with a gentleman who, talking approx 1000 words per minute, so that i could almost not understand what he said, identified himself as "navin", and wanted to "share a scripture with me".

he clearly did not know who i am or my history, or my website hobby.

Sabine

Quotes, I really enjoyed that, thanks! You were great.

Here's who I wish would give me a call (found this tid bit in Seattle PI):

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No sex or marriage for Great Crowd

by cherjcd in

jw
friends

hello folks,.

the watchtower has promised a special group of people that they will have sex, marriage and children in the new earth.

no resurrected person will have these privileges because you have to live through armageddon to get the privilege to procreate.

Sabine

That the Watchtower is untrustworthy, is definately something I can wholeheartedly agree with you on. Their teachings about the future of marriage and sex, based on their interpretation of scirpture is yet another area they have used to manipulate and control the lives of millions. It exposes their arrogance and presumption to know what the great divine source has in store for mankind and their eternal future.

Unfortunately, it is my opinion that for you to say those with an inaccurate knowledge and acceptance of Christ are doomed eternally is not much different than the attitude displayed by the Watchtower, as far as I'm concerned. I appreciated this comment posted earlier by flyinghighnow:

I don't think it is ours to know any absolute truth in this life. For anyone to say they know the absolute truth, whether they be Catholics, Baptists, JWs, Muslims or Eastern Religions, is for them to try to influence and manipulate your behavior.