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  No Jehovah,s Witnesses sign on your door may not work for all of us.

  by jam in

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  my daughters are still jw,s.

  both my daughters live in.

  other states.

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  I put a "No Preaching" sign on my door. If someone wants to make a social visit, they know the terms before they enter the house.
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  WTF just happened??? An elder I haven't seen in years stopped by to hand me a XXXXXXXX !!!

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so yesterday afternoon, an elder who lives only 3 blocks away drives up to my house as i was about to enter my car.

  as he gets out of his car, i noticed he had a stack of photocopied paper in his hand and he seemed quite nervous.

  i was genuinely happy to see him nonetheless since he is pretty easygoing and very likeable.

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  Did you say "Sorry, I don't do garage sales. The Brothers™ are concerned about objects being Demonized™."
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  did any of you jW read orwells 1984 or Animal Farm

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. jw
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  read them while you werre still active and didn't know ttatt yet?.

  i am wonderiing about your thoughts, and did you read, recognise, anything that disturbed you, familiariaties.

  did you notice them?.

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  1984 was required reading for high school. I noticed the similarities right away and had no resources to find a way out, though at the age of 15 I desperately wanted to quit. A couple of years worth of pressure from my parents and the Congregation™ sucked me back in until I was in my 30s. Being independent of my family of origin freed me to have opportunities to explore my thought processes more, without potentially being found out.
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  Watchtower vs. the Roman Catholic Church

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the roman catholic church (rcc) religious leaders wear ridiculous clothing.. wts elders wear ridiculous cheap suits.. .

  one can wear a beard and still be a priest in the rcc.. one can wear a beard in the wts, but never be an elder with one.

  it's bible-based(tm).

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  Can one person make a difference? Need your help please.

  by apocalypse in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am feeling a bit out of sorts & i need to bounce this off the board.. do some of you remember the coming out of the un scandal back when?.

  have you seen the letter from the un in c of c?.

  i am sitting here with that original letter in my hand.. the day before the date on this letter, i had heard about the watchtower involvement on hourglass2.

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  Hi apocalypse,

  I remember hawkaw... even had lunch with him once, and lots more phone conversations with him. I don't remember what it was that possessed him to help out a bunch of exJWs, because he had no affiliation with JWs at all, but he was instrumental in the publicity of the JW child sexual abuse scandal that resulted in the 2003 episode of CBC's The Fifth Estate on the topic.

  The UN letter isn't in my personal copy of Crisis of Conscience - we left the JWs in the mid 1990s and so had the earlier edition. The UN scandal broke in the fall of 2001. Even though I've had a couple of computers since then, my PDF of that letter from Paul Hoeffel is something I will never delete. I have it on a back up disk too. Even though we'd been out of the JWs several years by that point, it helped me personally to validate that I didn't make a big mistake in leaving the JWs. Sometimes it's tough to be the black sheep of one's family and be ostracised for having a contrary opinion to the way I was raised. I remind myself that my parents also turned their backs on the religions of their own parents when they became JWs, except my grandparents had the wherewithall to recognize that ostracising their children for changing their belief system was unloving... mine don't see it that way where I'm concerned.

  Don't sell yourself short - you provided a very valuable service at a time when the information was relevant, and now it's archived here and in CoC for others' benefit. As it turns out, the WTS affiliation with the UN was just the tip of the iceberg of WTS hypocrisy. Since then we've learned all kinds of dirty little secrets that the WTS keeps hidden to maintain the appearance of being "above reproach".

  Thanks again for sharing that very important document with the world.
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  Is it GOOD that God KILLS BABIES??? Help needed in debate

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  [endif]hello all,.

  my wife and i are atheists, raised and living as jehovah's witnesses.

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  Comatose:

  Scully I don't understand your question. You think it's okay to punish a child for its parents sins?

  It was more of a rhetorical question. I certainly did NOT say that it's okay to punish a child for its parents' sins.

  And how does it demonstrate JUSTICE to execute an innocent child for the sins of its parents?

  Jehovah is supposedly the example of true justice... yet, instead of holding people accountable for their own choices (aka, "sins"), he takes out his form of "justice" on a newborn child who doesn't even have the capacity to understand right from wrong. That isn't justice, it's barbaric.

  Although, as an atheist, my personal take on what actually happened (if the story has any truth to it at all) was that the child died and David interpreted his newborn son's death to be god punishing him for taking another man's wife and having schemed to have that man killed when she became pregnant with the child.

  In my line of work, newborn babies sometimes die, although thankfully with much less frequency than they did thousands of years ago. Still, when it happens, parents beat themselves up over things they may have done or not that "caused" their baby to die. They have a hard time accepting that such a terrible thing was nobody's fault. I can see David and Bathsheba going through the same sort of thought process, with or without the proclamations of a so-called prophet.
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  Public Apology Nathan Natas

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

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  Happy Days!

  Welcome back, Nathan Natas... this place just hasn't been the same without you.
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  Is it GOOD that God KILLS BABIES??? Help needed in debate

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  [endif]hello all,.

  my wife and i are atheists, raised and living as jehovah's witnesses.

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  GOD WAS THE ONE who struck the baby and it suffered a week before dying. How loving.

  And how does it demonstrate JUSTICE to execute an innocent child for the sins of its parents?
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  Public Apology Nathan Natas

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  i'd like to offer a public apology to nathan natas for making a wrong decision when i deleted him.. i allowed a combination of previous issues we'd had and input from other forum members to bias my decision which lead me to what i now, in hindsight, believe to have been a mistake.. whether you want to come back and post here or not i wanted to at least say sorry and will reactivate your account..

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  Thanks, Simon. I've missed NN's insights and friendship here.
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  Is it GOOD that God KILLS BABIES??? Help needed in debate

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  [endif]hello all,.

  my wife and i are atheists, raised and living as jehovah's witnesses.

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  God does not think that killing children is okay, even when it is in sacrifice for his worship.

  ‘Hear the word of the Lord , you kings of Judah and people of Jerusalem. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Listen! I am going to bring a disaster on this place that will make the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle. 4 For they have forsaken me and made this a place of foreign gods; they have burned incense in it to gods that neither they nor their ancestors nor the kings of Judah ever knew, and they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind. ~ Jeremiah 19:3-5, NIV

  They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. ~ Jeremiah 7:31

  They sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fire. They practiced divination and sought omens and sold themselves to do evil in the eyes of the LORD, arousing his anger. ~ 2 Kings 17:17

  They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin. ~ Jeremiah 32:35

  According to the Bible, the concept of killing children as sacrificial offerings was a "detestable thing" - it didn't even come up in his heart - and made those who practice it worthy of destruction at God's hands. Would it be any less detestable in God's eyes for JWs to sacrifice their children on the altar of the blood transfusion doctrine?

  Now, I know you're discussing "god" killing children, at Armageddon™ or for such heinous crimes as teasing a bald-headed prophet. But those passages show that "god" disapproves of killing innocent children. However, those passages should give any JW with an active brain stem a jolt, one that might make them have second thoughts about signing their blood cards or the blood cards that their children carry. Those passages can plant a seed, even though you're on a completely different topic at the time.