Posts by Scully

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Moral dilemma: to tell my husband or not to tell him...

by Julia Orwell in

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that his jw best friend he hasn't seen in ages is coming for holidays from where he now lives overseas.

this jw friend was instrumental in getting my husband into the cult before we met.

i heard from a jw from my old cong who just emailed me.

Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Scully

Honestly, does it really matter? I'm atheist now, so it's all rubbish to me.

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Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Scully

comatose:

I just don't get the classes. Jesus didn't teach two groups. It's so crazy to go against 1 Timothy 2:5

According to the WTS, he did. They refer to the Little Flock™ as being the 144,000 who rule in heaven with Jesus, while the Other Sheep™ have the Earthly Hope™ of Living Forever In Paradise™.

"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom." ~ Luke 12:32

"But I have other sheep, who are not of this fold, those also I must bring." ~ John 10:16

Don't forget that 1 Timothy was allegedly written by Paul.

And, for what it's worth, the concept of Jesus being the mediator for only the Anointed™ has been around for a long time - I was Baptized™ in 1980 and that was the teaching at the time:

*** w79 4/1 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***

Questions from Readers

• Is Jesus the “mediator” only for anointed Christians?

The term “mediator” occurs just six times in the Christian Greek Scriptures and Scripturally is always used regarding a formal covenant.

Moses was the “mediator” of the Law covenant made between God and the nation of Israel. (Gal. 3:19, 20) Christ, though, is the “mediator of a new covenant” between Jehovah and spiritual Israel, the “Israel of God” that will serve as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus. (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24; Gal. 6:16) At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the “one mediator between God and men.” (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word “mediator” in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is “mediator.” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.

The new covenant will terminate with the glorification of the remnant who are today in that covenant mediated by Christ. The “great crowd” of “other sheep” that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the “little flock” of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant. During the millennium Jesus Christ will be their king, high priest and judge. For more detailed information, see Aid to Bible Understanding, pages 1129 and 1130 under “Mediator”; also God’s “Eternal Purpose” Now Triumphing for Man’s Good, page 160, paragraph 10; also The Watchtower issues of February 15, 1966, pages 105 through 123; November 15, 1972, pages 685 and 686, under the subheading “Leading the Way to a New Covenant”; and April 1, 1973, pages 198 and 199, under the subheading “The New Covenant.”

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Do Not Calls is it about control?

by hoser in

elders are supposed to call on do not calls once a year to get their ass chewed on by the householder.

why does the borg make them do this?

humiliate them and make them more loyal?.

Scully

They haven't called on us in years. Last time they called it was the CO and some teenaged boy, I told them I left because the congregation treated me like crap when I was ill with postpartum depression - to the point that I was suicidal. I told them I could never trust the congregation again after the way they abused me when my family and I needed their support the most. The CO was dumbfounded... just stood there stunned like I'd slapped him across the face.

PWNed!!!!!

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CAN YOU BE AN 'APOSTATE' IF YOU WERE NEVER BAPTIZED?

by Mary in

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this subject came up with a friend of mine on facebook the other day.

he was never officially baptized as a witness and i believe he is now a born again christian.. does crooklyn consider someone an 'apostate' if you were never actually a full-fledged member but ended up leaving?

or are you just considered 'bad association'??

Scully

Blondie, this is from the Young People Ask book:

*** yp chap. 39 p. 318 How Can I Get Close to God? ***

“I think a lot of young people hesitate to get baptized,” observed a youth named Robert. “They fear it’s a final step that they can’t back out of.” True, one cannot back out of a dedication to God. (Compare Ecclesiastes 5:4.) But “if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him”—baptized or unbaptized! (James 4:17) The issue is, Do you appreciate God’s friendship? Are you moved to want to serve him forever? Then do not let fear hinder you from proclaiming yourself a friend of God!

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Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Scully

The WTS takes great delight in reminding JWs over and over and over that close association the Governing Body™ and believing Present Truth™ as published by the WTS is the only way they can hope to survive Armageddon™. In fact, they make it part of the baptism questions that candidates must answer in the affirmative.

So in reality, they are usurping the mediator position.

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CAN YOU BE AN 'APOSTATE' IF YOU WERE NEVER BAPTIZED?

by Mary in

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this subject came up with a friend of mine on facebook the other day.

he was never officially baptized as a witness and i believe he is now a born again christian.. does crooklyn consider someone an 'apostate' if you were never actually a full-fledged member but ended up leaving?

or are you just considered 'bad association'??

Scully

I think it would depend largely on whether or not you actively tried to debunk JW dogma to JWs. They consider any attempt to "draw away disciples for themselves" to be an act of apostacy.

If you don't do that, then they consider you to be not an approved association or Bad Association™.

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The Adventures of Benny the Bunnyduck

by seven006 in

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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/the-adventurtes-of-benny-the-bunnyduck?store=kids&keyword=the+adventurtes+of+benny+the+bunnyduck.

this is what i have been working on for the past 5 years.

i told a few people i would post a link when it was published.

Scully

((((((((((((((((((( DAVE!!!!!!!! )))))))))))))))))

I've missed you, you old fart. xo

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OUTLAW: I made this for you!

by Scully in

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it's been a long time since we did any wt/awake recaptioning.

i was just browsing through my pics on photobucket and found this one... lol.

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Scully

It's been a long time since we did any WT/Awake recaptioning. I was just browsing through my pics on Photobucket and found this one... LOL

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Symposium: Beware of Apostates! - 'God's Word is Truth!' District Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 - not on JW.ORG

by mindnumbed in

symposium: beware of apostates!.

satanhuman apostates also of interest ..... the truth brings "not peace, but a sword" .

Scully

I can't believe they are still beating on that "mentally diseased apostates" drum.

Especially when their idea of appropriate literature for children includes this gem, from Lesson 10 in their publication "Learn from the Great Teacher":

Jesus' Power Over The Demons

DO YOU remember why one of God’s angels became Satan the Devil?— It was his selfish desire to be worshiped that caused him to turn against God. Did other angels become followers of Satan?— Yes, they did. The Bible calls them ‘Satan’s angels,’ or demons.—Revelation 12:9.

Do these bad angels, or demons, believe in God?— ‘The demons believe God exists,’ the Bible says. (James 2:19) But now they are afraid. This is because they know that God will punish them for the bad things they have done. What have they done wrong?— The Bible says that those angels left their own proper home in heaven and came to earth to live as men. They did this because they wanted to have sex relations with the pretty women on earth. (Genesis 6:1, 2; Jude 6) What do you know about sex relations?—

Sex relations are when a man and a woman become close in a very special way. Afterward, a baby can grow inside the mother. But for angels to have sex relations is wrong. God wants only a man and a woman who are married to each other to have sex relations. That way if a baby is born, the husband and wife can take care of it.

When angels took human bodies and had sex with women on earth, their babies grew up to become giants. They were very mean, and they would hurt people. So God brought a great flood to destroy the giants and all the bad people. But he had Noah build an ark, or big boat, to save the few people who did what was right. The Great Teacher said that what happened at the Flood is important to remember.—Genesis 6:3, 4, 13, 14; Luke 17:26, 27.

When the Flood came, do you know what happened to the bad angels?— They stopped using the human bodies they had made, and they went back to heaven. But they could no longer be God’s angels, so they became angels of Satan, or demons. And what happened to their children, the giants?—They died in the Flood. And so did all the other people who did not obey God.

Since the time of the Flood, God has not let the demons become like humans anymore. But even though we cannot see them, the demons still try to get people to do very bad things. They are causing more trouble than ever before. This is because they have been thrown out of heaven down to the earth.

Do you know why we cannot see the demons?—It is because they are invisible. But we can be sure that they are alive. The Bible says that Satan is ‘misleading people in all the world,’ and his demons are helping him.—Revelation 12:9, 12.

Can the Devil and his demons mislead, or fool, us too?— Yes, they can if we are not careful. But we do not need to be afraid. The Great Teacher said: ‘The Devil has no hold on me.’ If we keep close to God, he will protect us from the Devil and his demons.—John 14:30.

It is important that we know what bad things the demons will try to get us to do. So think about it. What bad things did the demons do when they came to earth?— Before the Flood, they had sex relations with women, something that was not right for angels to do. Today the demons like it when people do not obey God’s law about sex relations. Let me ask you, Who only should have sex relations?—You are right, only married people.

Today some young boys and girls have sex relations, but this is wrong for them. The Bible talks about the male “genital organ,” or penis. (Leviticus 15:1-3) The female genital parts are called the vulva. Jehovah created these parts of the body for a special purpose that should be enjoyed only by married people. It makes the demons happy when people do things that are forbidden by Jehovah. For example, the demons like it when a boy and a girl play with each other’s penis or vulva. We don’t want to make the demons happy, do we?—

There is something else that the demons like but Jehovah hates. Do you know what it is?— Violence. (Psalm 11:5) Violence is when people are mean and hurt others. Remember, that is what the giants, the sons of the demons, did.

The demons also like to scare people. Sometimes they pretend to be people who have died. They may even imitate voices of those who have died. In this way the demons fool many into believing that dead people are alive and can talk with the living. Yes, the demons cause many people to believe in ghosts.

So we must be on guard that Satan and his demons do not fool us. The Bible warns: ‘Satan tries to make himself look like a good angel, and his servants do the same.’ (2 Corinthians 11:14, 15) But, really, the demons are bad. Let’s see how they may try to get us to be like them.

Where do people learn a lot about violence and improper sex and spirits and ghosts?— Isn’t it from watching certain television shows and movies, playing computer and video games, going on the Internet, and reading comic books? Does doing these things bring us closer to God or closer to the Devil and his demons? What do you think?—

Who do you think wants us to listen to and watch bad things?— Yes, Satan and his demons do. So, what do you and I need to do?— We need to read, listen to, and watch things that are good for us and that will help us to serve Jehovah. Can you think of some of these good things that we can do?—

If we do what is good, there is no reason to be afraid of the demons. Jesus is stronger than they are, and they are afraid of him. One day the demons cried out to Jesus: “Did you come to destroy us?” (Mark 1:24) Won’t we be happy when the time comes for Jesus to destroy Satan and his demons?— In the meantime, we can be sure that Jesus will protect us from the demons if we keep close to him and his heavenly Father.