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  Is The Current Watchtower Governing Body Guilty Of Child Abuse In Some Of Its Many Forms?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  1. child labor laws, by making parent force their children out in corporation sponsored advertising campaigns and indoctination meetings.

  2. making children subject to corporation sponsored disciplining and shunning.

  3. allowing child molester's to go out on corporation sponsored advertising campaigns with unsuspecting parents and children putting them in harms way.

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  Is The Current Watchtower Governing Body Guilty Of Child Abuse In Some Of Its Many Forms?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  1. child labor laws, by making parent force their children out in corporation sponsored advertising campaigns and indoctination meetings.

  2. making children subject to corporation sponsored disciplining and shunning.

  3. allowing child molester's to go out on corporation sponsored advertising campaigns with unsuspecting parents and children putting them in harms way.

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  Consider, too, the way the WTS introduces sexual conversations to children.

  The book Learn From The Great Teacher, Lesson 10, talks about how angels desired earthly women, forsook their heavenly place and had "sex relations" with them, producing the Nephilim. It says when the Flood came, these bad angels became Satan's demons. Later in the lesson they talk about how "sex relations" is only proper between a married husband and wife, and how it makes the demons happy when boys and girls play with each other's penis and vulva.

  Really.
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  The TOPIC which may never be discussed!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  question: how does the leadership of jehovah's witnesses instruct its members to prepare for the eventual elder care of its members?.

  answer: it pretends it will never happen!.

  is this responsible leadership or some kind of cognitive dissonant malfeasance?.

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  I think about that whenever I see my parents.

  There are so many JWs unprepared for retirement - no pension, no savings. So many don't even have a house that they could use for a reverse mortgage to help them financially. The WTS expects them to shun family members who leave the JWs, but then think nothing of telling them to expect these same shunned family members to bail them out financially when it becomes necessary.

  Oh, and don't forget to leave everything you own to the WTS!!! (hopefully a mountain of debt!!)
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  GAME OF THRONES (Season 3)

  by SophieG in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  ok i cannot believe that no one has mentioned this series.

  does anyone watch?

  did you see sundays masterpiece and have you read the books?

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  I have all the books in audiobook format - I love listening to it in the car or while I'm doing something else. Episode 9 was so well done - even though I knew what was coming, the scene was more shocking than I could have imagined.
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  CAN YOU BE AN 'APOSTATE' IF YOU WERE NEVER BAPTIZED?

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this subject came up with a friend of mine on facebook the other day.

  he was never officially baptized as a witness and i believe he is now a born again christian.. does crooklyn consider someone an 'apostate' if you were never actually a full-fledged member but ended up leaving?

  or are you just considered 'bad association'??

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  The thing is, when I got Baptized™ in 1980, I did NOT make a dedication to an organization. Here is what I said YES to:

  (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him the Father through his Son Jesus Christ?

  (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightenment of the holy spirit?" ~ Watchtower 1956 Jul 1 p.407

  Five years later, they change the rules and try to say that I agreed to this:

  The first question is:
  On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

  The second is:
  Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." ~ Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

  The problem with this is that they have removed from me the privilege of having "the enlightenment of the holy spirit" or having God's will revealed directly to me through Jesus and through the Bible. Instead, I must be part of an organization that claims to be spirit directed, without having any recourse when they screw up. I can't disagree with them. I can't petition them for clarification. I can't openly refute their teachings. I have to shut my mouth in order to remain in association with the people I care about, in order to maintain a relationship with my family and friends. If I can't do that, I am risking social suicide.
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  On What Date Did Watchtower Have THE TRUTH?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a jw tries to gather you back to the flock or debate with you, try these questions:.

  on what date did the watchtower arrive at the truth?.

  (a sharp jw will try to be fuzzy.

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  Whenever Joseph Rutherford said "Religion is a snare and a racket." That date.
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  Moral dilemma: to tell my husband or not to tell him...

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that his jw best friend he hasn't seen in ages is coming for holidays from where he now lives overseas.

  this jw friend was instrumental in getting my husband into the cult before we met.

  i heard from a jw from my old cong who just emailed me.

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  I'm glad you told him.
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  Since Great Crowd has no mediator

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

  now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

  yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

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  Honestly, does it really matter? I'm atheist now, so it's all rubbish to me.
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  Since Great Crowd has no mediator

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

  now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

  yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

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  comatose:

  I just don't get the classes. Jesus didn't teach two groups. It's so crazy to go against 1 Timothy 2:5

  According to the WTS, he did. They refer to the Little Flock™ as being the 144,000 who rule in heaven with Jesus, while the Other Sheep™ have the Earthly Hope™ of Living Forever In Paradise™.

  "Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom." ~ Luke 12:32

  "But I have other sheep, who are not of this fold, those also I must bring." ~ John 10:16

  Don't forget that 1 Timothy was allegedly written by Paul.

  And, for what it's worth, the concept of Jesus being the mediator for only the Anointed™ has been around for a long time - I was Baptized™ in 1980 and that was the teaching at the time:

  *** w79 4/1 p. 31 Questions from Readers ***

  Questions from Readers

  • Is Jesus the “mediator” only for anointed Christians?

  The term “mediator” occurs just six times in the Christian Greek Scriptures and Scripturally is always used regarding a formal covenant.

  Moses was the “mediator” of the Law covenant made between God and the nation of Israel. (Gal. 3:19, 20) Christ, though, is the “mediator of a new covenant” between Jehovah and spiritual Israel, the “Israel of God” that will serve as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus. (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24; Gal. 6:16) At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the “one mediator between God and men.” (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word “mediator” in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is “mediator.” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.

  The new covenant will terminate with the glorification of the remnant who are today in that covenant mediated by Christ. The “great crowd” of “other sheep” that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the “little flock” of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant. During the millennium Jesus Christ will be their king, high priest and judge. For more detailed information, see Aid to Bible Understanding, pages 1129 and 1130 under “Mediator”; also God’s “Eternal Purpose” Now Triumphing for Man’s Good, page 160, paragraph 10; also The Watchtower issues of February 15, 1966, pages 105 through 123; November 15, 1972, pages 685 and 686, under the subheading “Leading the Way to a New Covenant”; and April 1, 1973, pages 198 and 199, under the subheading “The New Covenant.”
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  Do Not Calls is it about control?

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  elders are supposed to call on do not calls once a year to get their ass chewed on by the householder.

  why does the borg make them do this?

  humiliate them and make them more loyal?.

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  They haven't called on us in years. Last time they called it was the CO and some teenaged boy, I told them I left because the congregation treated me like crap when I was ill with postpartum depression - to the point that I was suicidal. I told them I could never trust the congregation again after the way they abused me when my family and I needed their support the most. The CO was dumbfounded... just stood there stunned like I'd slapped him across the face.

  PWNed!!!!!