Don't atheists, in general, already have a bad name? I hardly think we need Dawkins' help for that.
Perhaps he's using hyperbole to show how embracing Islam would threaten the world's intellectual economy...
he just can't seem to stop himself taunting "these muslims" or "some muslim or other".
among his favourite taunts are:.
"all the world's muslims have fewer nobel prizes than trinity college, cambridge.".
Don't atheists, in general, already have a bad name? I hardly think we need Dawkins' help for that.
Perhaps he's using hyperbole to show how embracing Islam would threaten the world's intellectual economy...
i hope that i am not eating up alot of bandwidth and annoying anyone.
however as i make my exit i want to reveal as many things as possible.
i have a friend who had doubts about the latest change and wrote a letter.
Outlaw:
Why do ou think Splane is wearing a black scarf?
Is he cold? Does he need help dressing himself? Is he trying to look like a Rabbi?
Bizzaro worldor what? LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-byhudullm.
sam horowitz shows up after about a minute in.
imagine if baptisms were this much fun.. .
If baptisms were this much fun, JW kids might actually start waiting until they turn 13 before taking the plunge.
If they're lucky, they get a Happy Meal from McD's on the way home after the sessions on Saturday.
i usually dismiss the "drinking the kool aid" scenarios that are posted from time to time, but the latest wt has another bit of fearmongering.
the quote from page 20, para 17. elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.
(2) when the assyrian attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that jehovah will deliver us.
At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.
I've been concerned about this kind of rhetoric for years.
JWs have already been trained to treat us "as dead" for a long time. Mentally and emotionally, they can do it.
The next step is to put weapons in their hands and get them to do it for real.
And they call us "mentally diseased"...
for many years, since the mid 80s, marilyn zweifel manned the help-line.
several months ago, the help-line stopped due to marilyn's serious health issues.
marilyn was hospitalized a few weeks ago.. she has serious health issues and has suffered from 2 serious falls... she is now in a nursing home.
Marilyn was the very first person I reached out to, via the 1-800-WHY-1914 help line, when I started having doubts about the JWs. She confirmed everything I was thinking, and then some.
I'm sorry she's taken ill - I knew her health had been poor in recent years and hoped she'd be able to carry on. But, alas, the time comes for everyone to hang up their light sabre and return to the universe.
Marilyn, if you ever get to read these messages, please know that I'll always remember you with love and gratitude. You helped me take the first step in my life as a former JW. I am forever in your debt. xo
has there been a thread on this yet.. i may have missed this..
OUTLAW,
I hate to be the one to tell you this, because you're my buddy, but I found an actual picture of the Official JW Disaster Plan:
my latest encounter with my mom has me furious and i needed a place to vent:.
i don't post alot but for anyone who has read any of my posts knows that while i have been struggling for some time, i am still an active jw working towards leaving.. anyway, i got into a car accident yesterday.
fortunately i am well enough to type this up so for that i am greatful.
The District Convention™ really slammed home to most JWs the importance of Loyalty to Jehovah™, even when important family matters come up. If it interferes with Meetings™ and Field Service™ then you're expected to go to the back of the bus, especially if you are No Longer One Of Jehovah's Witnesses™. If there was someone Studying™, who was never a JW, and *they* were in a car accident, you can bet your sweet bippy they'd be all over that person like a dirty shirt, demonstrating what Loving™ Christians™ they are. But for people like us, we aren't even worth an email or a phone call, much less an in-person visit.
I totalled my car 10 years ago, and called my mom afterward. She asked if I was ok and were the kids ok. Once she was reassured that we weren't injured (save for some whiplash that needed physiotherapy) she excused herself because she had company. She said she would call back, but she didn't.
I had surgery a few years ago, and again called my mom to let her know, and to find out some family history that might be important for the surgeon to know. I was home recuperating for 3 months and didn't even get a call, or even a get well card, from my JW parents. I could have died in the OR and they wouldn't have found out because they never effing bothered to call.
Last year, I was off work on sick leave for 3 months. Same damn thing. I spent a weekend with my sister and actually stopped in to visit my parents on the way there, but they wouldn't even answer their effing door for me.
Yet, if I don't send them a card for their wedding anniversary (which I forgot to do leading up to my surgery) my mother has a bloody coniption fit and complains that I'm a terrible daughter. You'd think maybe they'd clue in that maybe, just maybe, something was wrong with me and it wasn't all about *them* at the time.
All that to say, I get you, I really do. *hugs*
please don't take this the wrong way, i would love it for women to comment on this thread because i just can't understand something!!.
here's the pattern i see:.
mostly guys in here.. if the guys are married, their wives usually stay a jw, or it takes 3 times as much time to convince a woman to leave than a man.. if the guys have a jw father, the father is open-minded and can be more easily persuaded to leave.
Sorry to disappoint - I'm actually one of those 'rare' females who wanted out of the JWs long before my husband did. It took me about 1½ years of being almost Inactive™, which started with a very bad case of postpartum depression, and being treated like a pariah in the Congregation™ to do some independent reading, while Mr Scully plugged away at the KH and in Field Service™, hoping to be Appointed™ as a Ministerial Servant™.
Once he realized he was being manipulated into doing lame Privileges™ that nobody else wanted to do - like being stuck cleaning toilets at the KH while everyone else got the better assignments - and seeing how the Congregation™ treated us while I was sick, it wasn't too difficult to share with him some of the doctrinal and organizational issues I had. He realized the Elders™ were never going to allow him to advance, no matter how sincerely and zealously he Reached Out™ for Privileges™.
I personally cannot understand why so many JW women persist in the belief system which treats them with such utter disrespect. Stockholm syndrome, maybe? Or perhaps the reward of remaining faithful - being able to Live Forever In Paradise on Earth™ - is worth being treated like a second class citizen. Or maybe they have a martyr complex - their suffering makes the reward sweeter?
i have bona for years but i am looking to try something else.
any recommendations?.
I use this recipe, although I leave out the essential oils. I sweep/vacuum my floors first, then have the recipe in a spray bottle and mist it on the floors (doesn't matter if it's hardwood, laminate, ceramic) in sections and then go over it with my handmade cotton mop cover. My floors look great when I'm done... until someone notices they are clean and spills on them. Usually within 15 minutes of finishing.
http://naturesnurtureblog.com/2012/04/19/homemade-floor-all-purpose-cleaner/
you continue to talk to the witlesses after being disfellowshipped.
we were at a funeral recently and disfellowshipped hubby would talk to anyone who who would come up to him and talk.
he said he wasn't going to be rude and that the rule of not talking to df ones don't apply to him.
laverite writes:
Regarding the statement: " Let them be the ones who are acting retarded." I find that personally very offensive. Using the word retarded in this way makes me very sad.
Yes, it is an affront to developmentally delayed people to compare offensive, ignorant JW behaviour to them.