Theocratic War Strategy. It's what allows JWs to suck people in, and it's what keeps people from finding out the truth about The Truthâ„¢.
Love, Scully
(this one's mine, with a little help from PrintMaster)
a couple of very basic questions for you good folks.. 1)imagine that you are joe public who has never had any real contact with jehovah's witnesses.
none of your family are, or your friends.
you occasionally say "not interested" to them on saturday mornings.
Theocratic War Strategy. It's what allows JWs to suck people in, and it's what keeps people from finding out the truth about The Truthâ„¢.
Love, Scully
(this one's mine, with a little help from PrintMaster)
i jotted down a draft for a flyer aimed at the general public who know next-to-nothing about the jw's.
i've tried to be calm and rational in the feel of the text, to avoid giving the impression of having an axe to grind.. i think having suggested pro-forma letters on the back of the flyer would be good, perhaps with the addresses of the local congregation and branch office already filled in.. the flyer would need to be tweaked for different countries where, for instance, not-at-home slips are no longer used.. so, please let me know what you think.
be brutal!.
Expatbrit:
Scully: LOL! Spelchek! Why didn't I think of that! Good point about referencing a current case, as it would be more "immediate". On the other hand, not many people are familiar with current cases, and a name like NBC Dateline carries a lot of weight. Perhaps a bit of both would be good. Love the sticker! Is the design your own?
Actually, I "borrowed" that from Borgfree's profile . The 'golden Watchtower and bible' part is from the WTS's own website, and when they first came out with it, I tried to do exactly the same thing as Borgfree with the red NO circle-slash, but Borgfree's is much nicer than mine, and I didn't figure out how to do the picture uploading thing until a bit later....
I'm sure if any JW saw that in a window or door of any home, anywhere in the world, they would recognize it immediately, even though other people might not. I can just imagine the frustration the local dubs would experience at seeing one of those at every home in the area but their own!! LOL
Love, Scully
mine would definitely have to be the young ones.
i'm such a sucker for brit humour.
just the thought of viv and rick - cracks me up.. what gets you giggling away?
Seinfeld
Simpsons
Frasier
Everybody Loves Raymond
The Lone Gunman (an X Files spin-off)
Love, Scully
my wife and i have seperated,and i had to talk to the elders yesterday one of the things they asked did i withhold sex from my wife?
odd question ?
or is it just me?
Dana:
Thanks for your response, I do appreciate it and, of course, from when I was in, I remember that particular scripture very well!!! However, and forgive me if I'm being dense here, but this is just unbelievable!...so IF a man FORCES his wife, with violence, to perform the 'marital due'(geez I hate that term!), perhaps even beating her in the process, the elders do not consider this rape??!! If the woman reports his abuse to the police and he's arrested, what then? How do the elders deal with such a case? They would allow him to remain in good standing??(another hated term!)
I was part of another xjw support group on MSN, and one of the recurring themes among the women was the reign of terror their husbands had over them. One experience that struck me in particular was a woman whose husband (an elder) would beat the living crap out of her and force her to to have sex whenever and where ever he wanted. She went to some other elders in the congregation for advice, and they told her that to leave him would be a sin and bring reproach on the congregation. When he found out (because we know these "counselling sessions" are "confidential" - [8>] yeah right!!) she'd again get the snot beaten out of her. It was a cycle that repeated itself many times. Finally, she escaped and went to a neighbour's house. Instead of trying to work things out with her, he headed a judicial committee against his own wife, and she was summarily disfellowshipped on grounds of adultery, without being able to defend herself. Two weeks later, he married another woman in the congregation. He poisoned his own children against their mother. She hasn't been able to see or speak to them in years, they refuse to have anything to do with her.
Sadly, if it's been allowed to happen once, it's happened far more frequently.
It's ok if it makes your blood boil, it does the same to mine!!
Love, Scully
we were shopping yesterday when i noticed a jw woman from our old congregation in one of the aisles.
normally i would go up and say hello, because i'm neither dfd or dad, but we were in a bit of a hurry, and i didn't want to spend much time in frivolous small talk.
a little background on her: when we knew her she was a pioneer, and could very well still be one; her mother is a pioneer; her twin sister is a pioneer, etc.... you get the idea.
Dana:
c'mon....... 2 more!!
lv4fer:
I'm so sorry to hear about the psychological abuse that's being used on you. And I'm sorry if the term "psychological abuse" surprises or shocks you, but I'm calling it what it is.
You're right. You and your kids don't deserve it. You've done nothing wrong. When JWs extend a hand of friendship to other JWs and get rejected, I don't understand where on earth you're supposed to go to have your social needs met. That always bothered me when I was still in. It didn't matter how hospitable we were, or how hard we tried in service, or that we were regular in meeting attendance. Once a clique of JWs decides that you're going to be on the outside looking in, that's precisely where you stay. They 'put' you there so they have someone to snipe about behind your back. They put you there so they can look down on you and see your kids hanging out with "worldly" friends, and then justify their behaviour by saying that you weren't spiritual enough. Circular reasoning at its finest. Unchristian behaviour at its best.
You're welcome here, unconditionally. My e-mail is open to you and anyone else who wants to chat.
Love, Scully
my wife and i have seperated,and i had to talk to the elders yesterday one of the things they asked did i withhold sex from my wife?
odd question ?
or is it just me?
Termite writes:
there's NO SUCH THING as rape within a marriage
Dana writes:
Is this really the case?? I've been out for awhile, do they really not recognize this type of violent power play inside a marriage??? I would appreciate it you or anyone else knows if this is a policy of the WTS and where the information can be verified. This blows my mind!
Yes, unfortunately, this IS the case among JWs. They seem to think it's far better for a man to force his own wife to have sex with him, than for him to go out and commit adultery. They do not recognize that a wife has the right to say "No" to her husband's advances. They use the scripture at 1Corinthians 7:1-5 to justify their behaviour: Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it si well for a man not to touch a woman; yet, because of prevalence of fornication, let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband. Let the husband render to [his] wife her due; but let the wife also do likewise to [her] husband. The wife does not exercise authority over her own body, but her husband does; likewise, also, the husband does not exercise authority over his own body, but his wife does. Do not be depriving each other [of it], except by mutual consent for an appointed time, that you may devote time to prayer and may come together again, that Satan may not keep tempting you for your lack of self-regulation.
They take the underlined portions very seriously, and seem to conveniently ignore the rest of the scripture that outlines the wife's rights to "mutual consent".
Women, surprisingly, make up almost 70% of all JWs. How they can sit there and just take this load of crap is beyond me. The sheer numbers could overthrow this cult in no time if every JW female stopped allowing themselves to be victimized by these misogynistic ignoramii.
Just my 2¢
Love, Scully
ok so now you think you are all wised up to how cult mind control mechanisms work, but can you identify quickly and easily the language used by a poster intent on starting up a flame war?
what signifiers can we notice about a persons written communication structure, that might give clues away earlier than expected as to an individuals intention or current 'mood'?
can you spot the difference between someone writing genuinely or that of a person just here to start up trouble?.
Thanks for your insight celtic.
Love, Scully
i hated growing up as a witness.
i hated the boring ass meetings where you could hear a pin drop on the floor, i hated going door to door and i hated not being normal like the other kids.. but the one thing i liked was going to the assemlies at the oakland coliseum.
i would wander around and find other kids to goof around with.
I used to like the frozen vanilla or chocolate pudding.
I don't think they intended for it to freeze, but they would store it in the refrigeration room overnight and it would become quite solid by the next morning. The trick was to get it in the morning at breakfast time so it would still be frozen, if you got it at lunchtime, it would be all soupy and watery, unlike anything that resembled pudding at all.
Love, Scully
we were shopping yesterday when i noticed a jw woman from our old congregation in one of the aisles.
normally i would go up and say hello, because i'm neither dfd or dad, but we were in a bit of a hurry, and i didn't want to spend much time in frivolous small talk.
a little background on her: when we knew her she was a pioneer, and could very well still be one; her mother is a pioneer; her twin sister is a pioneer, etc.... you get the idea.
alliwannadoislive writes:
ooh scully, you have whetted my appetite now ... i've only been da'd for a fortnight and still waiting for my first encounter and thus my first genuine experience of being shunned ...
on a semi-serious side, despite being able to laugh, does it actually sadden you too ?
honestly?? the only sadness I feel is that I used to think what she was doing was ok... now, I feel very glad that I can talk to whomever I wish, whenever I wish, and that my REAL friends have the same freedom of communication and association.
Love, Scully
we were shopping yesterday when i noticed a jw woman from our old congregation in one of the aisles.
normally i would go up and say hello, because i'm neither dfd or dad, but we were in a bit of a hurry, and i didn't want to spend much time in frivolous small talk.
a little background on her: when we knew her she was a pioneer, and could very well still be one; her mother is a pioneer; her twin sister is a pioneer, etc.... you get the idea.
Dana:
"the diet coke of evil"??? hahahahahahahahahaha
now, if you'd said "the diet PEPSI of evil", well then we'd have something to work with.... I just don't know....
from the "diet lemon coke of evil" (do you even have that in the US??)
Love, Scully
by the way, I think every girl needs a light sabre in her wardrobe...