discuss writes:
Jimmy Walker has always been a hero.
heyyyyyyyyy maybe he IS on "our" side...... DYN O MITE!!!
Love, Scully
in this forum, we often wonder what we can do to make the society look bad.
we come up with ideas like picketing assemblies, mail campaigns, legal action, and many others.
although these ideas are laudable and i would not want to discourage anyone, they sometimes create sympathy for the witnesses, and make us look bitter and fanatical.
discuss writes:
Jimmy Walker has always been a hero.
heyyyyyyyyy maybe he IS on "our" side...... DYN O MITE!!!
Love, Scully
today, while on the phone with my jw mother, she drops the, by the way do you want to come to the memorial thing for the first time in i don't know how many years.
i was kind of taken aback and said that i would think about it.
obviously, i have no intention of going, but should i just say nothing, say no, or just say i don't agree with the jw doctrine at all and to attend would be hypocritical of me?
deddaisy:
I don't know Scully, it looks like a lot of former JW's have taken that literally..........
Yeah, unfortunately is a tragic reality of what shunning can do. I apologize if you feel my sarcasm is out of line.
Love, Scully
i know that really only i can decide,(unless i get df'd) but to-day i'm in a real quandry.
should i be honest and tell them i'm never going back, because i really have no intention of ever going back.or would that just give the orgaanization some kind of validity.
or , if this is really some kind of 'evil organization' should'nt i officially leave as a matter of urgency.matthew 24:15. i'm really just thinking out loud.
Dear meat pie:
I've had those moments too where I wonder if I should just be "honest" and tell them that I have no intention of going back ever. However when you do that, you empower them to treat you as they see fit. They were less than honest with you in the way you were taught about the organization, they are dishonest with everyone they contact in their door-to-door work about their methods and research. They will lie to protect the WTS in Courts of Law, the WTS will lie to protect its own interests (for example charitable/tax-free status) by sacrificing the right to life of innocent children to the European commission of Human Rights.
They call this "Theocratic War Strategy".
I call it "hypocrisy". They don't deserve your honesty, IMO. Don't give them the power to abuse you by being honest with them.
Love, Scully
UADNA-C (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Canada)
in the past weeks, i have been throwing away my 32 year library of books.
the feeling of freeing myself from the weight of the lies contained within the pages was my objective.
i have always been afraid of letting them go just in case it was the "truth.
orangefatcat:
When I recently told my ex husband that I wanted my books he said right of the bat, oh what an answer to a prayer.
I'll bet he was praying to get rid of them so he'd have more room on his shelves!
Love ya sis!
Scully
a few years ago someone posted a link to a site, that was supposed to be a wt site, listing the screen names of known apostates.
has anyone seen that site, and, is it still around?.
at the time i was very disappointed that i did not make the list.. borgfree.
dang those are all AOL screen names, and I wasn't mentioned even ONCE.
I guess I'll have to go to JWs and Friends chat room and kick some dub-butt.
Love, Scully
it bears reminding people that there are a number of very high ranking men in brooklyn who are quite aware that the practice of disfellowshiping for just-about-anything is totally unscriptural.
they are aware of stories like the young girl who committed suicide did so because her sister caught her smoking a cigarette and threatened to turn her in.
they are aware that their blood transfusion policy is not supported by scripture and that approximately 10,000 jws were not given a chance to save their lives as a result.
Well said, Farkel.
I'm saving this one for the files.
Love, Scully
this might appear as a stupid question but i still find it hard to find my real personality.
often, i try to appear as someone else and the result is that i am shy because i have the fear of the judgement of the other people.
how did you redefined yourself when you got out of the org?.
Nicolas:
The most frsutrating things is that some people had an easy life since they were born. Why did I have to live in an organization like that when a lot of people were just enjoying the life at my age?
Your life isn't as messed up as it feels right now. I'm going to cut and paste your words, and make a few changes to give you an example, ok??
The most frsutrating things is that some people had an easy life since they were born. Why did I have to live in Afghanistan when a lot of people were just enjoying the life in Canada at my age?
You're in a position right now where you're still young and have your whole life ahead of you. Compared to your parents, who have lost so many opportunities from being JWs, you aren't doing too badly. You can get as much education as you want, you can work where you want, you can save for your retirement. You don't have to find a wife or girlfriend "in the Truth". You can even have sex before you get married, with more than one person if you want. You don't have to limit your friendships just to people "in good standing in the congregation." You don't have to tolerate hypocrisy and falsehood anymore. You can make choices now that you never would have had as a JW.
Being a free moral agent means that you have the opportunity to develop your own sense of values. Your personality is something that is constantly evolving, and always will if you allow it. You'll have a "core" personality that will remain fairly stable and constant, but you'll be able to explore things and ideas that you never would have been able to if you had stayed with the JWs.
When I realized that for myself, it was like I was a kid in Toys R Us with permission to max out someone else's credit cards!! Anything and everything became a possibility.
You're going to be ok! You've been given the gift of freedom from the WTS; your brain is now your own again!!
Love, Scully
while doing a little surfing this morning, i stumbled onto this site.... http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelhenry/.
and while the information presented has been covered here before...i wanted to bring it up again, for the new members, and to all of us really.
even now, being "out" , i still wonder as i got to the doctors for various tests and proceedures, what if?
PS to zev on my last comments:
It is standard procedure for hospitals and physicians to have their employees sign a contract agreeing to maintain the confidentiality of patient information. The contract usually states that the employee understands the consequences of breaching confidentiality will be immediate termination of their employment. There probably would have been, in your case, "zero tolerance" by the doctor for whom she worked.
Love, Scully
i don't know if any of you really want to hear this, so if not please stop reading here.. i told a few of you about a guy i have been seeing for the past few months.
well, i found out that he has been seeing other women, and i spoke to him last night and tried to break it off with him.
he didnt want to hear it.
Dear Lilacs:
Scully, those were my words. He didn't say it that way. What he said is that I always look great.It may be true that you always look great, but to bring that up as a reason for YOU to keep HIS unfaithful cheating ass, is SO lame of him. The message that I get from his words form the conditional nature of his perception of the relationship: you look great now and I'll keep sleeping with you, but if you gain a few pounds or wind up disfigured from an accident, I'm outta here!
I'm glad you aren't letting him keep using you.
Love, Scully
while doing a little surfing this morning, i stumbled onto this site.... http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelhenry/.
and while the information presented has been covered here before...i wanted to bring it up again, for the new members, and to all of us really.
even now, being "out" , i still wonder as i got to the doctors for various tests and proceedures, what if?
zev:
elders wife transcribes for the local doctors/hospital. actually, it WAS local, but i'm not there so its "back there local". anyways...i had some tests done and a diagnosis was given by the lab, and it was transcribed by this elderette. she saw me at a gathering of brethern a few days later, and announced what was wrong with me. first of all i was shocked that she even knew.
What this woman did was inappropriate. It is not part of her function in the doctor's office to give a patient that information, EVER. The responsibility for divulging that kind of diagnostic information to a patient is the doctor's, even if the information is inconsequential or minor in nature. The fact that she did this in a public place, is even more reprehensible.
You asked "what could I do?" It's very simple really. You write a letter to the physician, and complain about their employee. Physicians take a VERY dim view of unethical behaviour, and are ESPECIALLY protective of patient confidentiality, and she would have been reprimanded at the very least, and could have been dismissed on the spot. If she had complained to the elders about it, they would not have given her any support for her unethical behaviour, and very likely she would have been reproved. You have EVERY LEGAL right to maintain the confidentiality of your medical records.
Like I said earlier, we have to start making JWs accept responsibility and consequences for their behaviour. If we keep letting them get away with it, they will continue to abuse privileged information.
Love, Scully
UADNA-C (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America-Canada)