Yadirf...You said (your words in quotes)
"But where in the BIBLE does it say that if Satan DID make the star appear that the angels would surely have warned the Magi before they went to Herod? Aren’t you having to resort to logic and reasoning in order to assume such a thing. Then how is it that you wish to rule out logic and reasoning when it comes down to considering whether or not Satan was the author of the star (as indicated by your question in the first quote directly up above). Is it that if such a thing could indeed be established that it would play havoc with your precious Christmas holiday? That would be quite devastating to you, wouldn’t it?"
LOL...the only reason that I would have to reason such a thing to BEGIN with is to refute YOUR supposed logic and reasoning that he DID. The star coming from Satan is mentioned NOWHERE in the Bible, so I would have NO REASON to come up with that conclusion (that the angels would have warned them BEFORE going) if you hadn't asserted the ridiculous ASSUMPTION that you did. And why haven't you used 'logic and reasoning' to refute MINE? Instead you try to twist it to chide me for using 'logic and reasoning' against YOURS. Good answer....NOT. MY PRECIOUS CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY? ROFL...you know absolutly NOTHING about me, yet you ASSume to know my heart and that I would be DEVASTATED by something regarding a holiday. ROFLMAO I also would like to assert that when it comes time and it is established that Satan DIDN'T produce the star, YOU will be quite devastated, no? I don't see any reason why Yahweh would EXPECT anyone to come to the conclusions that JW's do. They only do that so they can justify CONDEMNING those who are Christian that DO celebrate the holiday...isn't that so?
"Whoops, there you’ve already been found guilty of using reasoning and logic again. Now which way is it going to be, Is the use of logic and reason going to be allowed, or disallowed? You can’t have it both ways, to be consistent."
There you go, NOT answering the topic. When did I say anything against logic and reasoning. See, using logic and reasoning I can see EXACTLY what you are doing by making this charge against me....avoiding coming up with a REAL answer.
"The fact of the matter is that JWs are the only ones that truly take Jesus’ command at Matthew 28:19, 20 seriously. Does the “pastor” of you church stress the importance of each member consider it a personal obligation to go make disciples in obedience to Jesus’ command? Or do they merely keep the pew warm and feed the kitty when it’s passed in front of them? Now be honest!"
First of all, Jesus told his BROTHERS to make disciples. Not all JW's are Christ's brothers, are they? Some are merely 'friends' at this point. Secondly, the Bible clearly says that all are teachers, not all are apostles, etc. MAKING disciples doesn't mean telling others what to believe, say, and THINK. The BIBLE says that once someone receives Holy Spirit (which is a gift to the TRUE DISCIPLES, not the clones) they don't NEED ANYONE TO TEACH THEM ANYMORE. Do JW's think that the Bible is LYING about this? BTW, MY TEACHER is Christ. HE doesn't give a hoot about how much money is in a kitty, OR how many hours of field service HIS disciples put in. Kapeesh?
"Listen Mrs. Sieg, I’m undoubtedly old enough to be your father … so it’s not as if I haven’t been around the block a time or two. I’ve considered both sides of this issue a sufficient number of times to know the score. I do know that wanting to know what’s true has to be the thing of most importance in a person’s heart if one is to arrive at the truth of a matter. (Proverbs 2:4, 5) Furthermore, the ones you point the finger at have no “authority” in the way that you imply. Jehovah’s Witnesses have no leader except Jesus Christ. The entire congregation is made up of brothers and sisters, and that includes those who bear the responsibilities of Governing Body members. You’re simply full of hot air! Yes, there is oversight … which is a Biblical thing."
You must be pretty darned old, since I'm a GRANDMOTHER myself. I have checked into BOTH sides of the issue also, and find the WTS severely LACKING in everything pertaining to CHRIST. YOU are full of hot air with that 'no authority but Christ' bullshit that you spout. We both know that's not true of the borg.
"I’ve produced several times more to support my position than what you or anyone else have to support yours. But like I’ve already asked: Is using logic and reasoning in, or out? If with you it’s in, then what fault can you find with my reasoning? Perhaps you would do well to meditate further on what’s been said, as well as click on the link and review the 4 or 5 pages of discussion there < http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=8504&site=3>";
I've heard it all before. In FACT, when I WAS in the borg, this star thing was one of the problems I had with them. I forgot about it though, until you brought it up. Again, what is this ASSumption you have that I don't like logic and reasoning? AGAIN, by saying this over and over, you prove to me that YOURS is flawed.
"No, that’s not true at all. It’s just that they intend to find favor with God, the Source of life, and aren’t careless in that regard like Christendom is. Yes, we are very interested in knowing whether or not something is bad. To not be so concerned would be very, very foolish. What your problem really is, it seems to me, is that the narrow road doesn’t suit you. It’s more important for you that you be able to engage in all the pleasures that can possibly be stuffed into a 365-day year, rather than concern yourself with the realities of life … that more than anything else what mankind needs the most is LIFE. BTW, when’s the last time that you reviewed the obituary column? Was it empty? No, instead it was filled with listings of the deceased … those who didn’t make it past the stage of infancy. There are some that died in their 30’s. Most often the daily list is comprised of ones who saw around 70 to 75 years of life. "
I agree it's foolish not to be concerned with such things. The Bible says 'look for the good, not the bad" which I try to do. The Bible also says "by their fruits you will know them." I take that to mean, that although I try to see the good in people, when it becomes BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that they are ROTTEN, you shouldn't ignore it. Your organization fits that bill to a tee.
