hey! you must be an optimist!! you expected a discussion? you will never get that!!
singsongboi
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I JUST SPOKE TO CIRO AUCILINO!!!!!!!!
by teenyuck ini called the number alanf listed, 718-560-5000 and got a woman on the phone who said "hello--oh, i mean, jehovah's witnesses".
i asked to speak to ciro aucilino and she transferred me!!!!
i must have called brooklyn!!
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disfellowshipping is a blessing in disguise!!!!
by singsongboi ini found this site by accident a couple of weeks ago -- i did not go looking for it, and felt no need for it..... reading the posts, was like entering an old house that i once lived in and was now abandoned -- the issues being discussed were like the furniture of the old house -- covered in dust and the crap of the ages.... but, as i stayed and read on and saw the pain that so many have, i started to think about the process that led us all here.. and my thoughts crystallised -- .
i thought that i 'had' a good life as a witness -- yes i saw many things that i could question, but i accepted that old consolation that is offered when you have doubts - just wait on the lord brother - he will make all things clear in time...!!!.
you know it's really strange that that expression is used so many times -- it leads me to think that so many must have doubts - even if unexpressed!
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singsongboi
i found this site by accident a couple of weeks ago -- i did not go looking for it, and felt no need for it....
reading the posts, was like entering an old house that i once lived in and was now abandoned -- the issues being discussed were like the furniture of the old house -- covered in dust and the crap of the ages...
but, as i stayed and read on and saw the pain that so many have, i started to think about the process that led us all here.
and my thoughts crystallised --
i thought that i 'had' a good life as a witness -- yes i saw many things that i could question, but i accepted that old consolation that is offered when you have doubts - just wait on the lord brother - he will make all things clear in time...!!!
you know it's really strange that that expression is used so many times -- it leads me to think that so many must have doubts - even if unexpressed! ( and maybe 25% do not understand much about what they are studying anyway!!).
it was not doubts that led me to my judgement day, but an unresolved misunderstanding about my own nature.. a misunderstanding that was deep and profound but which i would prefer to talk another time...
this misunderstanding could only be resolved by a deep shock!!!
that shock was provided by disfellowhipping -- i was set free at last to find the real truth about myself!!!
for me dfing was a blessing!!!
i suggest that for nearly all posters - disfellowshipping is a blessing also!!!
you are free at last from someone breathing down your neck, looking over your shoulder -- judging you to even the smallest detail of dressing and personal choice..
free to think for yourself, free to be a real human, free to select your friends, free to make your own mistakes (costly as they may be), with out an elder who thinks that he has your best interests at heart, (but in truth only wishes to make you conform to his ideas), calling to counsel you to conform to hiw way of thinking....
i have realised for a long time that there is a close connection between christianity and fascism..
all your stories, reinforces that notion to me....
my life is now better than the one i had as a witness -- even tho a young man from the same congregation that disfellowshipped me ( actually, the same brothers on that committee) was told that he would finish up a lonely sad old man like me --
these guys know so little about life, that they get everything wrong!!!
i wish now that i had come to my senses and been disfellowshipped years ago....
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Having intense nostalgia-is that bad?
by ashitaka ini'm having a wee bout of memory.
i've been hearing a lot of the old crew i used to hang out with when i was a jw.
my old best friend, he's getting married soon.
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singsongboi
joelbear...!!!!
saw your post in this thread...
would like to know more about your leaving bethel and df'ing.....
if u care to share this u may like to email me - address in my profile..
thanx
kenni
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Who was to blame for the blunder of 1975?
by trykkleif inharmageddon was supposed to occur in the fall of 1975, but nothing happened.
who should have taken the blame?
the gb?
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singsongboi
who remembers the "tribbie" bags that some kept packed, in readiness for flight???
and stocking up , in case of shortages and faminine (year 2000 hysteeria not exactly new..
who remembers - not having kids, in case you were hampered with babes in your flight..
tho just where we running to or from was never really clear!! but it was confidently expected that we may have to run somewhere!!!!
kenni
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struggling & need feedback
by wildeflower ini am 32 years old, have been disfellowshipped since age 17. was born & raised in the "truth.
" my father was and still is an elder.. without going into the gory, painful details: i have kept in somewhat contact with my parents in the last 15 years (i can't believe it's been that long!
) by calling them and popping over to their house, etc.
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singsongboi
marilyn - your advice is the most practical!!
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struggling & need feedback
by wildeflower ini am 32 years old, have been disfellowshipped since age 17. was born & raised in the "truth.
" my father was and still is an elder.. without going into the gory, painful details: i have kept in somewhat contact with my parents in the last 15 years (i can't believe it's been that long!
) by calling them and popping over to their house, etc.
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singsongboi
youve been there wildeflower - so u know what u are dealing with... and you know how they think!!!
i had the reverse situation -- i was df'd and my wife -- i elected to give my former children (and all of our property)to my ex-wife to save the viciousness of court battles and because i still thought of it as the truth, and even thought (at that stage) that i could get back..
i spent months in hell separated from my children ***.
i was not invited to any of their weddings...
i walked away with nothing after 30 years of marriage and 37 years in the so-called 'truth'....
i was forced to build a new life for myself... a life that is superior to my witness life ---
i regret the loss of my children, and sometimes think i should have fought to be a presence in their life!! but i made what i thot was the best decision at the time...
i cannot suggest to you what you should do in your case... i do not think any of us should presume to say that you go back to the truth, which is probably the only way you will gain a closeness to them, OR that you should cut them out of your life.
its a tough decision, but you have to make it!!!
but pls remember, that jws do not 'own' love.. tho they often speak as if they do...
that they do not own 'kindness' ( in fact many have problems showing it)
that they do not own 'warmth', in fact, often deliberately turn it off, as your parents seem to be doing!
but DO remember, that there are many dysfunctional families among witnesses --
and MOST of all, that one day there may be ANOTHER change and that a relationship with your parents may become possible!!
in the meantime, to be a strong resolute person in your right, without any props, is a pretty good place to be...
wishing u every happiness in your marriage... hope it turns out good for you!!!
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What I am Reading, What I am Listening To
by mikepence inin the interest of getting an idea of what interests people here, use this thread to post what you are into right now.. i am reading.... susan sontag's "in america" ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0374175403/mikepence-20) what an incredible author.
this book won the national book award.
see the reviews on amazon.
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singsongboi
thnx sadie, for link to radioafghanistan
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Brain vs. Womb
by picosito ini cut the following quote from "topic: old seats or new seats?".
by duncan.
"your average dub, just wants to be told what to do and think.".
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singsongboi
think your right about the average joe (there or anywhere) not wanting to think...
some may recall a period (was it in the 60's) when we encouraged by a few WT articles to think in terms of principles - and apply the principle, and to stop asking for a rule or a law..
as a slogan campaign it failed.. probably because it required thinking, or maybe because the thinking of some went off on a tangent!!!
when another WT study brought this period to an end, i recall some saying to me -- thank goodness, were back to black & white... doan have to think anymore!!!
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NYPost Article - In the Name of Religion
by Reborn2002 inthis article taken from the ny post should suffice to make you sick to your stomach.. .
why the west is better .
by mark goldblatt .
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singsongboi
hmmmm! i can remember at least one comment by the WTBS (maybe a letter to elders) that suggested that disfellowshipping was the modern equivalent of stoning to death...
sure its, not as physically hurtful as stoning... but can be hurtful in other ways.
and for the fascist minded it's a good way to 'get them'!!!
and we doan have to look far for an equivalent to the sharia, enforced by 'tough-minded' men of righteousness..
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My visit to the Hall Last Night- Highlights
by TR inblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah.
monotone, monotone, monotone,.
monotone, monotone.. you were right, moxy.
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singsongboi
i think this process of ever more and more rigid control and fear of individual freedom is inevitable in organisations that have control freaks in the leadership..
mentioned elsewhere my reading of the the experiences of the CPA.. in the beginning it was a genuine 'people' movement and according to witnesses like american general joe stillwell (a republican btw) doing some dam good stuff!!
but in power - it just harsher and harsher, at least until the death of mao.