I didn't know the WT went back on the military service requirement? When did that change?
When I lived in Spain in the 90s I knew men who refused the military and had to do some other public job like library assistant.
i couldn't get back to sleep last night, something my father said a few weeks ago popped into my head.. we were talking about obtaining citizenship, he doesn't need it, but was contemplating what benefits it could get him now he's a pensioner.. background : i've been disfellowhipped for 15 years, i was born in, he is an elder, very much pimi, he was also born in.. i said to him how citizenship would be difficult for him as it would require him to swear allegiance to the state?.
oh he said, thats just a crowd of people together in a big room for the swearing in event, it would be easy to just mumble or say nothing, nobody would know.. this has quietly been eating away in my mind, why did it bother me?.
last night it hit me, when i was in my first year of school, age 5, i came out of school one day with a balloon with two little pencils attached, a gift from a classmate who's birthday it was, every child got one.
I didn't know the WT went back on the military service requirement? When did that change?
When I lived in Spain in the 90s I knew men who refused the military and had to do some other public job like library assistant.
susanne eigenheer is an ex-jw and suffered religious abuse in eric wilson's group.
her personal statement and experiences within the beroean pickets study groups was one of betrayal where she was taken advantage of financially.
in one text conversation, wendy wiens disfellowshiped susanne and demanded an apology from her.
https://youtu.be/_zid2LUFPME?si=wQBRmgTMZQVMwxtq
Eric's response to the situation.
i couldn't get back to sleep last night, something my father said a few weeks ago popped into my head.. we were talking about obtaining citizenship, he doesn't need it, but was contemplating what benefits it could get him now he's a pensioner.. background : i've been disfellowhipped for 15 years, i was born in, he is an elder, very much pimi, he was also born in.. i said to him how citizenship would be difficult for him as it would require him to swear allegiance to the state?.
oh he said, thats just a crowd of people together in a big room for the swearing in event, it would be easy to just mumble or say nothing, nobody would know.. this has quietly been eating away in my mind, why did it bother me?.
last night it hit me, when i was in my first year of school, age 5, i came out of school one day with a balloon with two little pencils attached, a gift from a classmate who's birthday it was, every child got one.
Thanks for all your honest viewpoints, I appreciate the understanding.
I will move on, as I have always done, I am content that my children will never have to live with the mental abuse like we did, they can believe and celebrate what they want, I just can't bring myself to lie about a fat man in red bringing presents down the chimney! 😅🙈
most of my friends have gotten the vaccines and are quite confident that it’s just what the doctor ordered.
i’m not confident with dr. fauci.
i don’t like the fact that the makers of the vaccines are not held responsible if someone taking the vac develops an illness or even death.
I'm never confident about anything the government tells me, unless they promise to raise taxes, I'm very confident they will do that.
i couldn't get back to sleep last night, something my father said a few weeks ago popped into my head.. we were talking about obtaining citizenship, he doesn't need it, but was contemplating what benefits it could get him now he's a pensioner.. background : i've been disfellowhipped for 15 years, i was born in, he is an elder, very much pimi, he was also born in.. i said to him how citizenship would be difficult for him as it would require him to swear allegiance to the state?.
oh he said, thats just a crowd of people together in a big room for the swearing in event, it would be easy to just mumble or say nothing, nobody would know.. this has quietly been eating away in my mind, why did it bother me?.
last night it hit me, when i was in my first year of school, age 5, i came out of school one day with a balloon with two little pencils attached, a gift from a classmate who's birthday it was, every child got one.
I couldn't get back to sleep last night, something my father said a few weeks ago popped into my head.
We were talking about obtaining citizenship, he doesn't need it, but was contemplating what benefits it could get him now he's a pensioner.
Background : I've been disfellowhipped for 15 years, I was born in, he is an elder, very much pimi, he was also born in.
I said to him how citizenship would be difficult for him as it would require him to swear allegiance to the state?
Oh he said, thats just a crowd of people together in a big room for the swearing in event, it would be easy to just mumble or say nothing, nobody would know.
This has quietly been eating away in my mind, why did it bother me?
Last night it hit me, when I was in my first year of school, age 5, I came out of school one day with a balloon with two little pencils attached, a gift from a classmate who's birthday it was, every child got one. Walking home with my mother, she said how said Jehovah was that I had accepted a birthday party gift, and how happy Satan was. As she walked on, she heard a bang behind her, I had stuffed the balloon and pencils into the nearest bin.
I have no memory of this, but I have grown up with the story and my parents pride in 'my decision' to please Jehovah.
This doesnt even touch on all the explanations in school about why I didn't celebrate birthdays, xmas, easter, halloween, valentines, or play sports, participate in school plays etc etc. From the age of 5, I was expected to and emotionally blackmailed to live up to the standards of my parents religion.
Then last night I remembered all those kids in the USA and elsewhere who had to deal with national anthems and flag saluting at their schools, it was always in the WT, and us kids were constantly being reminded how good and brave those kids were, how loved by Jehovah.
And now, the parents who held us to those standards, who told us we would die at Armageddon if we didn't, are doing the very thing we were practically blackmailed and bullied into not doing.
Right now I feel angry, and its the first time in 15 years that I have felt angry, betrayed actually.
They can't live up to the standards they set for their own children, and crumble at the first hurdle.
Am I completely over reacting?? Am I just rambling through insomnia??
And if I'm not nuts, should I have this conversation with my parents, or is it too late? Maybe venting here is the best way to release? 🙊
jw's are not known for laughter.
there are the rare exceptions.
they are more known for their fear mongering and doomsday scenarios where "the dead shall come to be as manure on the surface of the ground from one end of the earth clear to the other".
First thing my husband said when he attended his first ever JW meeting years ago, was how sour everyone looked with deeply lined down turned lips!
He said as much to my pimi parents who were taken aback, 'But people usually comment how happy we look!'
No, people don't say that about JWs, the WT just tells them that.
that's what the word says.
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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..
I remember JWs saying that Christmas is like throwing a birthday party for the birthday boy, everyone bringing presents for each other, but not for Jesus, and how sad and left out he would feel on his own birthday.
The sheer amount of emotional manipulation, especially on the poor JW children who have to go through months of this hype at school, is the disgusting bit.
All the daft arguments about whether it was 'commanded' or not, Jesus commanded people to love each other, that's it. The rest was left up to individuals themselves. That's the whole and sole point of being a Jesus follower.
Not lording it over each other, not mastering another's faith.
Jesus never commanded anyone to write down his teachings, or that those teachings should be compiled into a book to bash others over the head with, and control them with.
vicky and mike hobbs are ex jehovah’s witnesses and ex beroean pickets members their personal statements and experiences within the beroean pickets bible study groups wasn't pleasant.
and vicky was likened to the antichrist because of her differing views.
spiritual abuse is becoming more widespread and the purpose of this interview is to raise awareness, provide education around spiritual and religious abuse, and to keep the public safe.
I really enjoyed Eric's videos and his book which I came across last year, he opened my eyes wide to the WT frauds, and for that I am grateful.
I never found their online meetings helpful, its still much the same as a boring JW meeting, no depth at all.
The recent videos have become very dogmatic, I spoke out about one of them and he wasn't happy with my responses, and I have quit listening to any of his other stuff, I had set up a WhatsApp group for some of us zoomers who wanted proper association but I seem to have been, whats the word....oh, shunned from that group, lol.
la norvegia non è caduta nella trappola della torre di guardia di agosto.. https://files.accessjw.org/s/sdzfgcgk4bi48jb.
I hope they go to the European Court and dig the WTs own grave
beninu andersen.
denmark.
i am not aware of how many of you are familiar with the danish case of a jehovah's witness who was hospitalized after a tragic accident where he fell several floors from a scaffolding where he was working.. the patient was admitted to the intensive care unit and was conscious (albeit somewhat confused) for the first three weeks.
There have always been Christians who took pride in martyrdom, and got angry when it was denied them........