Posts by Duran

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Searching

by Striker in

jude 1:9 (kjv) yet michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the lord rebuke thee.. matthew 4:10 (kjv) then saith jesus unto him, get thee hence, satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the lord thy god, and him only shalt thou serve.

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.....my understanding is that you all believe jesus is michael the archangel....... the two verses above describe two different personalities..... the archangel in jude rebuked satan in the name of the father, because he knew it was not his place to rebuke him, he knew that he didn't have the authority to do so, that the only person who possesses this authority is god himself.... while jesus, in matthew 4:10, does not need to invoke the name of the father to rebuke satan, because the father and jesus are one, not michael and jesus..... .... because michael the archangel is not jesus christ our savior.....

Duran

Pronunciation - Striker x Strike her

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WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

Duran

God offers a substitute for the death penalty that we are under

Who put us under that death penalty?

What did you personally do to deserve that death penalty?

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Searching

by Striker in

jude 1:9 (kjv) yet michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the lord rebuke thee.. matthew 4:10 (kjv) then saith jesus unto him, get thee hence, satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the lord thy god, and him only shalt thou serve.

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.....my understanding is that you all believe jesus is michael the archangel....... the two verses above describe two different personalities..... the archangel in jude rebuked satan in the name of the father, because he knew it was not his place to rebuke him, he knew that he didn't have the authority to do so, that the only person who possesses this authority is god himself.... while jesus, in matthew 4:10, does not need to invoke the name of the father to rebuke satan, because the father and jesus are one, not michael and jesus..... .... because michael the archangel is not jesus christ our savior.....

Duran

Michael is an ARCH ANGEL

[ 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.]

[ 30 ... they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

To which one of the angels did he ( God ) call son? ( Hebrews 1:5) None- Only Jesus was called son

All angels are 'sons' of God.

[2 the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.]

[6 Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.]

[ 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?]

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Biden calls Trump supporters garbage

by moomanchu in

a comedian in a comedy sketch at a trunp rally joked that the island of puerto rico is a floating island of garbage.. what to do???

potus pappy joe to the rescue!!

he sounds the alarm, comes out swinging and calls trump supporters, actual people, garbage.. .

Duran

"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters." - Joe Biden

Does Trump have any 'Puerto Rican' supporters, if so, Joe just called them 'garbage'.

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Bethelites dressing up for Halloween

by neat blue dog in

think about it: they had to go out and buy halloween paraphernalia, then apply makeup & costumes to dress the 'brothers & sisters' up as vampires, witches, mummies etc.

and you know they were probably joking around the whole time.

what a bunch of hypocrites, the last gen gb would be turning in their graves to see such a photoshoot at the 'house of god' 😆.

Duran

Yep, my wife's family are big time JWs and all through her years growing up they could go to Disney's MAGIC KINGDOM and watch Disney movies but could not watch the Smurfs.

Tinkerbell

Smurfette

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Bethelites dressing up for Halloween

by neat blue dog in

think about it: they had to go out and buy halloween paraphernalia, then apply makeup & costumes to dress the 'brothers & sisters' up as vampires, witches, mummies etc.

and you know they were probably joking around the whole time.

what a bunch of hypocrites, the last gen gb would be turning in their graves to see such a photoshoot at the 'house of god' 😆.

Duran

What a bunch of hypocrites,

VAMPIRES, WEREWOLVES, WITCHES, ZOMBIES: These creatures have long been associated with the evil spirit world.

Celebrations like Halloween are in conflict with Bible teachings. The Bible warns: “There must never be anyone among you who . . . practices divination, who is soothsayer, augur or sorcerer, who uses charms, consults ghosts or spirits, or calls up the dead.”—Deuteronomy 18:10, 11, The Jerusalem Bible; see also Leviticus 19:31; Galatians 5:19-21.

sor·cer·er - a person who claims or is believed to have magic powers;

Can JWs go to Disney's MAGIC KINGDOM? Can they wear theses costumes?

Tinkerbell, a fairy - a small imaginary being of human form that has magical powers, especially a female one

Ariel, a mermaid - a fictitious or mythical half-human sea creature with the head and trunk of a woman and the tail of a fish

Genie (from Aladdin) - a spirit of Arabian folklore, frequently depicted as being imprisoned within a bottle or oil lamp and as being capable of granting wishes when summoned.

Fairy Godmother (from Cinderella) - has magical powers

Flora, Fauna, Merryweather, and Maleficent (4 fairies sleeping beauty) - have magical powers

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If the UN fails, what do JWs have prepared?

by Anony Mous in

i was listening to a podcast about the current geopolitical situation, apparently the un has gone so far off the reservation being controlled by and trying to align themselves with anti-west values, a number of countries is attempting to kick israel out of the un because it is defending itself against iran.. off course, many african nations, some middle eastern, china and russia and a few european nations are all in some amalgamated economic league.

if the vote happens while biden is still president, it’s unlikely, given the election, the party is willing to throw their anti-semitic base under the bus and wouldn’t veto it, hence why these people are considering doing this now and china/russia would go along just to create some mayhem.

the un weeks ago voted to hand over a significant part of jerusalem to an unspecified state of palestine, this likewise went unopposed by the biden-harris administration.. if this happens, given the outcome of the next election, the us will almost certainly have to abandon and disband the un.

Duran

where does the Bible call out the UN and in why aspect has it been successful? Cold War? Vietnam, Korea, China? Yugoslavia? Seriously, where has the UN helped anything?

The Bible does not call out the UN 'per say'.

The Scriptures give the prophecies and then it is up to the Bible believing folk (as foolish as they may be) to look at what seems to fit based in the world that is happening/and entities that exist.

The UN fits in this regard.

Biblically speaking the UN is successful in that it was created in 1945 and has been growing with more structures put in place (The WHO, etc.) over the years waiting to be empowered.

The UN was never Biblically meant to solve/help what you mentioned. In fact, they have done the opposite and created wars, as they were supposed to.

They are under the guise of supposed to have worked for peace through the years. That was only to keep them existing through these years. But their true purpose is to be an OWG. From the Bibles view, the 8th king. It will take WW3 to implement that. (Order through chaos.) This is God's purpose, for the 8th king to serve as the 'hour of judgment' from him.

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If the UN fails, what do JWs have prepared?

by Anony Mous in

i was listening to a podcast about the current geopolitical situation, apparently the un has gone so far off the reservation being controlled by and trying to align themselves with anti-west values, a number of countries is attempting to kick israel out of the un because it is defending itself against iran.. off course, many african nations, some middle eastern, china and russia and a few european nations are all in some amalgamated economic league.

if the vote happens while biden is still president, it’s unlikely, given the election, the party is willing to throw their anti-semitic base under the bus and wouldn’t veto it, hence why these people are considering doing this now and china/russia would go along just to create some mayhem.

the un weeks ago voted to hand over a significant part of jerusalem to an unspecified state of palestine, this likewise went unopposed by the biden-harris administration.. if this happens, given the outcome of the next election, the us will almost certainly have to abandon and disband the un.

Duran

but they already used that explanation for the League of Nations, which, like the UN was a complete failure.

The UN is not a failure, it will do what it was created to do when the time comes for it to be empowered. (If the Bible is false then I guess don't hold your breath for that to ever happen but if the UN does get empowered by the nations, then perhaps there is truth to this.)

The WTS lies about being appointed in 1919 (therefore tells lies to arrive at 1919) in order to have people believe that so they will choose to be within that religion and not others.

It's basically, 607>>> 2,520 years later>Oct 1914>3 1/2 years cleansed>April 1918>appointed in 1919 due to the cleansing that supposedly took place.

The WTS has used what they refer to as 'apostate' sites to get the correct understandings as the years have gone by and then they make changes to incorporate those understandings when they see world events lining up with what the 'apostates' have said. The WTS/GB makes it look as if they are the ones with the insight on these changes.

The WTS/GB claiming now that the UN will get (future) its power from the nation's first before the turning on BTG, is correct according to the Bible.

What they fail to state at this point is that when that power is given that that corresponds with the 42 months. They can't admit to that right now because that will show that the 42 months were not Oct 1914 - April 1918, therefore no cause for being appointed in 1919.

They also fail to outright state at this time that the reason the 'nations' will give the UN power is because of WW3 (4 horsemen). They of course as part of their lies claim that the 4 horsemen have been riding since 1914 (WW1). But on JW dot org from time to time they have been introducing that WW3 is coming. Again, not because of their great insightfulness but because of 'apostates' and actual current world events, that they cannot ignore.

WTS/GB's only goal is to stay together 'as is' until the outbreak of WW3, when at that point it won't matter any longer.

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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.

the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.

so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.

Duran

In the chronology of Revelation, doesn't Babylon the Great have to fall before all the other things take place?
Sooooo, New Light says BtG has not yet fallen. So what's the freaking hurry? Lots of stuff to take place before worrying about the GT.

The '4 horsemen' (WW3) have to come first.

Then as a result of that, the 10 kings give their power to the beast. That time period is the GT. It is during that time that the 10 kings and the beast turn on BTG.

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Does maths prove the bible is wrong?

by joey jojo in

there might be a few that find this post boring, because, you know - its maths.. i like maths but im not a mathematician or condsider myself any type of expert on the subject.. there is a branch of maths called propositional logic that is used widely in computers and computer programming that allows computers to make decisions based on certain conditions.

for example: if a condition exists, then do something.

like: if the a button is pressed, then the letter a will appear on the screen.

Duran

Gen 1:11: God creates vegetation on day 3. The sun isnt created until day 4. This statement, taken at face value cannot be true. That sounds like a contradiction to me.

[1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.3 And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day.]

[9 Then God said: “Let the waters under the heavens be collected together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, but the collecting of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said: “Let the earth cause grass to sprout, seed-bearing plants and fruit trees according to their kinds, yielding fruit along with seed on the earth.” And it was so. 12 And the earth began to produce grass, seed-bearing plants and trees yielding fruit along with seed, according to their kinds. Then God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 Then God said: “Let there be luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night, and they will serve as signs for seasons and for days and years. 15 They will serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God went on to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. 17 Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth 18 and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between the light and the darkness. Then God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.]

The Hebrew word rendered “make” in Ge 1 verse 16 is not the same as the word for “create” used in Genesis 1:1, 21, 27 chapter 1, verses 1, 21, and 27. “The heavens” that included the luminaries were created long before the “first day” even began. But their light did not reach the surface of the earth. On the first day, “there came to be light” because diffused light penetrated the cloud layers and became visible on the earth. The rotating earth thus began to have alternating day and night. (Genesis 1:1-3, 5) The sources of that light still remained invisible from the earth. During the fourth creative period, however, a notable change took place. The sun, the moon, and the stars were now made “to shine upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:17) “God proceeded to make” them in that they could now be seen from the earth.