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  Watchtower says "Don?t Eat Blood"

  by Sam Beli in

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  if my recollection is correct, some here have stated that the wts no longer uses the ?do not eat blood?

  argument.

  i too thought that they had learned better, but not so.

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  TD

  Whilst they couldn't possibly have known about our medical advancements etc, the way in which it is written doesn't denote the medium by which blood is ingested, transfused or any other means. It merely says to ABSTAIN!

  Another way to look at Acts 15:29 is simply on grammatical grounds. What the JW's have done in the past is ungrammatical.

  For example: I can easily state what it means to "abstain from fornication" as a simple finite negative:

  "Do not fornicate."

  The reason I can do this is because fornication is the name of a finite act and therefore has a verb form, unlike "blood" and "things strangled" and "things sacrificed to idols" which are the names of physical objects.

  Can you state what it means to "abstain from blood" as a simple finite negative?

  "Do not ________"

  No matter how hard you try, you will be forced to insert the name of a finite act in the blank above. The reason for this is simple:

  There is no such thing as abstinence from a physical object.

  You can only abstain from acts done in connection with objects.

  However the only acts you may legitimately insert in this blank are those which are supported by the immediate context. (e.g. "Eating" or possibly "Tasting" --Compare Phillips, Moffat, TEV)

  When the JW's play the grammatical dirty trick of invoking the incomplete predicate, "abstain from blood" as an independant construction they have simply taken advantage of the general lack of education among their members.
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  Were You Ever Hauled Into The Library By The Elders...

  by exjdub in

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  2. friends

  for something really stupid, or for something you didn't do?.

  since joining the jwd board i have had a lot of deep, deep, memories pop back into my head.

  sometimes they are memories that are not very enjoyable...and sometimes those memories make me laugh out loud.

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  Yes. I was called on the carpet once.

  This was back when I was fairly enamored with the Witnesses and attended regularly with my wife.

  The reason: I came to the aid of a police officer. (Hell, in this neck of the woods, it's illegal not to.) This involved a threat of deadly force -- a big no-no for Witnesses and "interested ones" alike apparently.
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  Black Veil Lowers again?

  by H. in

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  2. beliefs

  hello i am new and this will probably be the last time i post.

  nice forum by the way but honestly and with all due respect it is not something i would like to be associated with.

  i joined saying "oh cool a jw forum" but after reading just 2 posts i realized it is the black veil all over again.

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  H.

  You sound like a liberal minded JW inasmuch as you have, so far expressed some viewpoints that are directly contradicted by JW literature. (I'll be happy to elaborate as a basis for further discussion.) I don't mean anything negative by this --my wife is a liberal minded JW.

  I wish there were more of you. If the JW organization would allow this kind of plurality of thought there probably would be.
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  Reflection on My Third Anniversary on JWD

  by blondie in

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  i can still remember when i first posted all those years ago.

  i was still an active jw but was drawn to the amazing conversations (and fights) on jwd.

  h2o was dwindling and the refugees were coming here.

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  I enjoyed Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform, I enjoyed H2O in it's heyday and I have thorougly enjoyed JWD the past three years.

  One of the reasons is your posts Blondie. Lady Lee is right. It wouldn't be the same without you

  Tom
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  Acute leukemia in Jehovah's Witnesses.

  by PinTail in

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  http://www.haematologica.it/2000_11/1221.htm

  with the aim of demonstrating the possibility of treating acute leukemia in jehovah's witnesses by protocols which include a marrow transplantation procedure without need of transfusions, we report our experience on 5 patients.

  three patients had acute lymphocytic leukemia and two acute myeloid leukemia, two received autologous bone marrow transplants and one bone marrow transplantation without transfusions.

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  What is your point Pintail?

  To summarize

  Patient #1 ?11 year old male. Diagnosed with T-cell acute lymphocytic leukemia. This patient received an allogenic bone marrow transplant without platelets. This patient relapsed and died.

  Patient #2 ? 24 year old male. Diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia. Received chemo without platelets. Patient?s platelet count became uncountable. (Meaning he damn near died from thrombocytopenia during therapy) Patient attained complete remission for a few months. This patient relapsed and died.

  Patient #3 ? 17 year old female. Diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia. Received chemo without platelets. Patient attained complete remission. Patient is now under maintenance therapy.

  Patient #4 ? 30 year old male. Diagnosed with acute lymphocytic leukemia and Burkitt's type lymphoma. Treated under Magrath?s protocol (attenuated dosage) Patient attained complete remission.

  Patient #5 ? 44 year old female. Diagnosed with acute lymphocytic leukemia. This patient died from anemia during therapy.
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  HELP! How do you answer the Elders without incriminating yourself?

  by stichione in

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  2. beliefs

  i?m due soon for a shepherding call from my congregation elders for a variety of reasons: being irregular in service, s poradically attending meetings, and o h yes, writing in a letter to the society asking for clarifications on the blood ban.

  i?m sure that one question that they will be asking me is: d

  o you believe that jehovah is using the organization as his only approved channel of communication?

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  The good (or bad depending upon your perspective) thing about JW literature is that it's all over the place.

  At times they have claimed to be Jehovah's channel of communication clearly and unequivocally.

  At other times they claim that Jehovah's channel of communication is the Bible and they are merely sincere students thereof.

  Never contradict JW literature to an elder. Instead, get him to contradict the literature by insisting upon one view to the exclusion of the other. If he's stupid enough to do this, in a "sincere but confused" manner, become agitated and mentioned the possibility of your writing the Society for clarification. Ask him if he would mind very much if you mentioned him by name.
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  Blood Transfusion - RU Still Kicked Out?

  by chappy in

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  are blood fransfusions still an official disfellowshipping offence?

  i know the policy changed in 2000, but i "heard".

  chappy

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  "If a baptized member of the faith willfully and without regret accepts a blood transfusion, he indicates by his own actions that he no longer wants to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The individual is no longer viewed as a member of the Christian congregation because he no longer accepts and follows the Biblical prohibition to abstain from blood. However if such and individual later changes his mind, he may be accepted back as one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

  ---excerpt from 16 June, 2000 letter to all Hospital Liason Committees
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  The Termination of the WTS

  by richard in

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  just suppose ... the wts will cease to exist.

  then this forum has lost its right to exist.

  how would you deal with this void in your life?

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  .....run marathons instead of posting, or what?

  What's wrong with doing both? Some of us do.

  If you look around here you will notice that many, many more things get discussed here besides the JW's. Those that are realy truly interested in the twists and turns of JW doctrine probably compose a minority.

  I've therefore no doubt that not only this board would continue to exist, but the resultant friendships would continue to exist as well if the WTB&TS ceased to exist.
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  Blood Transfusion - RU Still Kicked Out?

  by chappy in

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  are blood fransfusions still an official disfellowshipping offence?

  i know the policy changed in 2000, but i "heard".

  chappy

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  The acceptance of a forbidden blood product (whatever that happens to be this week) is considered the same as voluntary disassociation.
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  FDS Sends Convention Delegates Packin'

  by ezekiel3 in

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  2. friends

  jehovah's witness across north america are being sternly counseled at this week's service meeting that they should pack lunches during the 2004 dictrict convention instead of leaving the site to eat elsewere or return with food.

  in a letter read during the announcements, members are told this is a "serious problem".

  reportedly jws have been banned from some convention locations because the venues want concession stand business if jws insist on bringing carry-out meals into the facility.

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  Well Corvin, first of all, (about 8 years ago or so) they had problems with the "food tickets" they used to sell to people to subsequently exchange for food being not quite legal. Not only was there no real system for refunding unused tickets, it seems that they were regarded as a blatant dodge from collecting sales tax for food sold. ---Which they actually were.

  They they went to a purely volunary donation arragement. It was a disaster. People were stuffing themselves on free food and little was going into the contribution boxes This only lasted about 2 years.

  Then they went to the "either bring your own or get your food elsewhere" arrangement. This also caused problems, so they reduced it to only the first part -- "bring your own food."

  However entire families were packing medium sized ice chests that wouldn't fit under the seat. This also caused problems. Blocking isles like this often violates local fire codes.

  Now the JW's appear to have evolved the latest incarnation of the food arrangement, described above.