just how many active elders and mss post on this board.
no real name neccessary.
(haha as if you'd give one).
JonnieMae
are you saying you are an Elder or an active JDub in NYC?
you wouldn't be the one who found that bug planted in the GB meeting room table at Bethel, say sometime in the early 80's, would you? You know the one where they would meet/met ever Wednesday? That table was bigggggggg too! It's even bigggggggger when half of them are snoring.
wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.
the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.
in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.
If you don't believe in the bible remove that thought for the sake of THIS arguement; say you DO believe in the bible.
hillary_step I don't know your background so I don't know what you believe, I'm not attributing any bad/wrong motives, I'm just using this ex. for the sake of THIS arguement, that's all.
At issue is the philosophical/bible view. According to the BIBLE, is God going to destroy the wicked? Do you believe in the bible? Read the damn thing upside down if you have to.
The BIBLE teaches YES, it and Jesus even refer/use the "example" of the world being destroyed by the flood as a reference.
If the JDubs believe they are the ONLY ones who believe and follow the bible, then they, as a GROUP, WILL be the ONLY ones to survive, and that everyone else IS wicked and must be destroyed. It's a fundamental truth, to them. What God decides to do for INDIVIDUALS outside of their group, is up to him. It's not a we are better than them. Within THEIR world it IS the ONLY way to think and/or rationalize. There cannot be two truths.
Stay within the context of this arguement.
wiz, their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' saint peter will let them through the pearly gates.. i have started a new thread on an issue that i think some might want to comment on.
the quote above is taken from a recent exchange that took place on englishmans thread that dealt with his families attitude toward his disfellowshipped situation.. i did this not to highlight a personal failure, but because it is typical of comments that the average jw would make.. have you ever stopped to think how harmful the propagation of the, 'we live - you die, we good - you bad'' mentality is, for the thinking and emotional well-being of the jws as a group.
in fact, i have noticed in recent times that the wts itself, has been reigning in on some of the expressions of exclusivity that they have previously encouraged, worldlings for example, recognizing the harm it does to their cause.
In my many years as a kiss-ass JW and going door-to-door I would say about 95% of the people I talked to didn't even know there own religion. Let alone the bible.
I have a guy I work with and his Dad is a muslim and HE told me that his dad, and implying that many other muslims like him are the same way as the stero-typical Catholics, they don't know anything about their respective bibles or know why they believe what they do. He's not a JDub and has never been one yet HE said it. His comment about Islam surprised me.
I get the same impression among many Jewish people. Their religion is just traditionalism/formalism. IT means nothing to them. I also got the same impression from the Amish when I went there.
To some people they practice their religion more deeply and some are sincere, but I haven't meet many. One point is, if what a person believes in can be proved not to be true, then if a person continues to believe in that then they are believing in a lie. That's all. It's that simple. Show me the proof that something or someone is wrong and I'll believe it, but I'm not going to trust in speculation, gossip, opinions, or personal vendettas.
I've seen Jay Leno talk to people who are supposed to be bible believers who don't know the first thing about the bible, yet when they die, they all expect to go to heaven.
One women told me, you know what the bible says, "Let your conscience be your guide." I had to remind her that that was a quote from Pinnochio @1934.
I think many people get their beliefs about the bible from the movies. I wouldn't doubt in the least that my grandfather believed in the Cecil B. DeMill classic The Ten Commandments.
It's like their belief system comes from the back of a bubble gum wrapper.
People go to confession admit their sins to a priest and the PREIST forgives them and tells them to say a bunch of Hail marries and Our Fathers. They have virtually no concept of the blood redeeming value of Jesus' sacrifice.
Granted there are things cannot be empirically proven. Matters of faith. The main reason why I believe the bible is because there is virtually no scientific explanation as to why the bible should be believed.
Say in a legal setting, no sane person (w|c)ould use the bible as defense. The ONLY way a person could believe in the bible is faith and that's where many people start to crumble. Push a person on what they believe and then challenge thier belief using the bible and then the excusses start: "Oh the bible was written by men anyway..."
D wiltshire
Jesus was under the mosiac law he didn't break it he fulfilled it. They were an exclusive people. By being born a Jew he was bound by the rules. And I don't mean the rules of the Pharisees/Sadducces.
Hillary Step
God does not desire the destruction of humans, but it seems that the average JW does.According to the bible did God bring the flood that destroyed all human life outside the ark? It's the same God that will bring Armageddon. I don't think I have to go through all the scriptual refeneces that you all know. It is very clear that God is going to have a destruction of all that is wicked. He does not desire it, but to maintain spiritual soveriegnty, it is an eventual reality.
ianao
If I prove something as truth how is that putting anyone down? Does Santa Claus exist? No. How is that putting anyone down? It's just the truth. That's all.
So I guess I can take it that many people here that put the JDubs down do it to make themselves exclusive/better/superior?
How can everyone be right? An eventual truth must come out.
Does God exist? Yes or no, it can't be both. That means those who believe in God or atheists. ONLY ONE can be right.
Did Jesus exist? And was he the Messiah? Christian or Jews. ONLY ONE can be right.
How can I believe in a/my religion and then say that the other religion is right too? I would be saying my religion is a lie. Also, by my believing in a/my religion I'm saying, by implication, that everyone else's is a lie, ain't I?
a new pastor moved into town and went out one saturday to visit some parishioners.
all went well till he came to one house.
it was obvious that someone was home, but no one came to the door even after he had knocked several times.
Good one.
Here's a Limerick
There once was an archaeologist from Thoussel
Who found and incredible fossil
It had a wonderful bend and a knob at the end
It was the Peter of Paul the apostle.
there is a word going on down here that the wt society has changed president, and that the new guy apointed for the job is non - anoited.
is that posibly thruth or just a joke going arround?
has anyone heard such a thing?
I made a post about this a while back maybe a month ago
If you look on the inside front cover of a WT you will see
President: N.H. Larson
Secretary Treasurer G.F. Simonis
I talked to my brother-in-law (an "Elder" in bethel) and he said Milton Henschel lost the ability to speak. I don't know If it was snuck in or what. It may have been mentioned at a meeting in a letter or it may have been in one of the mags, other than the inside cover. I didn't ask if he was of the anointed, I just assumed he was. If I remember correctly he said the guy was in his 70's.
my son and daughter from my previous marriage have just been kicked in the teeth by witness teaching.
they have never ever been jws, which makes it worse imo.. they have just been dumped by their jw grandfather, dumped by their uncle, dumped by their aunt.
when my dfd ex-wife lost her mother a couple of years back, her jw sisters and brother decided to put a stop to my exs alienation.
hypocrites!
if witnesses trouble you so much Andee why does any of your life's activities revolve around them? Let 'em be and get on with you and yours' lives. K?
TR -I don't necessarily hold the JW view of Christmas. It comes from just about any Encycleopedia you want to use, including the Catholic One(s).
You call the WTBS a scam but apparently you believe in one of the biggest scams, Christmas. BTY Are your eyes brown? My eyes are green, kinda like your teeth.
Comin' here, I swear that I have found the Paradise I've always been looking for, because everyone HERE, is perfect!
You expect the JDubs to be perfect.
Shunning is supported by the bible.
Many people have problem children. What do they do if that child persists in being a trouble? They tell them to get out and don't come back. Why? Some reasons are a strain or weight on the family. The INFLUENCE on other family members/siblings, etc.
If I were a JW and I lived as a JW, would I want people telling MY kids that it is OK, NOT to be a JW? OR i.e. There's nothing wrong with Christmas.
It would be the same poison of some idiot who would come up to my child and ask them if they wanted to take drugs or booze, saying, "It's not wrong, other people do it." They can be equated to the same thing.
Oh and I forgot, the only bad accepable things you can say about anybody here, on these BOREDS,can ONLY be about the JDubs. Where ONLY here to expose them and NOT ourselves
You use chidish name calling and slang against the WTBS (Jdubs, borg, etc), it's ONLY fair that the same word-plays can be made about these BOREDS too.
I'm just exposing your double-standard ways, that's all.
my son and daughter from my previous marriage have just been kicked in the teeth by witness teaching.
they have never ever been jws, which makes it worse imo.. they have just been dumped by their jw grandfather, dumped by their uncle, dumped by their aunt.
when my dfd ex-wife lost her mother a couple of years back, her jw sisters and brother decided to put a stop to my exs alienation.
No, bored rather than board was intentional. You guys use borg for org (which I like BTY), I use bored/s for THIS/THESE board/s.
Give me A break Yeri. Christmas IS a holiday that commemorates the birth of Christ, that being that Christ was born on Dec 25th. Even though you know that, you continue to celebrate it. The WTBS lies, it's a big huge deal, when you lie it can be rationalized away. Grant them the same thing you grant yourself. Don't live by a double-standard.
My wife told me, that to her, as a child, Christmas was never extolled as the "Holy" day it should be, "the birth of the lord" it was just a day to get gifts. So Christ, to kids, "ain't nuthin' but a piece of shit," because they aren't even taught the importnace of Christ anyway.
Their religion is just a formalism to buy their way into heaven hopin' that little ol' Saint Peter will let them through the Pearly gates.
I know people who don't celebrate XMas because it sickens them to see BIG business turn, what they think, should be a holy day, into huge commerce.
One of the utilmate hypocrisies Jews that celebrate Christmas and Jews who put out Christmas albums and sing about the Holy Saviour.
As for people on these boreds, why don't you think about all the damage you put on your kids, when you teach them to single out a group of people who are different. Replace Racial bias with religious ones. Now your're in the same boat.
Maybe you rant and rave in front of your kids every once in a while like I do about the WTBS. It has an affect on them.
"Hate your grandparents kids because they hate you."
Oh thats right you guys belong to the Brady bunch clan, "Perfect sumbitches"
my son and daughter from my previous marriage have just been kicked in the teeth by witness teaching.
they have never ever been jws, which makes it worse imo.. they have just been dumped by their jw grandfather, dumped by their uncle, dumped by their aunt.
when my dfd ex-wife lost her mother a couple of years back, her jw sisters and brother decided to put a stop to my exs alienation.
Who on these boreds would approve their children hanging around other children that would be a bad influence on them?
The JWs are accustmed to a way of life. Shunning is a form of protection for them and a discipline for the DF'd one.
There's another 6 billion people on the planet, why not go spend your time with them? Why are many of you people fighting so hard to be friends or share the compnay of people you dislike so much anyway?
Do you send your kids to there rooms, punish them with no games or T.V. or going to bed earlier? That's a form of seperating them from the social group, albeit, it's not nearly severe or as long.
But why is it when the JWs do things to protect themselves or children you berate them?
They don't want to be around many of the people, like many on these boreds, shoving down their throats things they know to be obviously wrong.
What about kids that have been taught about Santa Claus or Christmas? Everyone I know that believed in Santa Claus were angry at their parents for LYING to them, and making them look like fools the first decade of their little lives.
Funny how many people on these boreds live by a double standard. you criticise the JWs for lying, but many of you believe in the big lie of Christmas with all it's pagan origins.
My immediate family and wife's family live over 400 miles away. We took our kids with us. Whose going to crticise me for taking the grand kids so far away from them? Fundamentally, it is the same. My kids have virtually no physical contact with their grandparents, except when we go up to visit. They rarely talk to them on the phone when we call each other. So it's basically the same.
Put things in perspective people.
can we use names?.
anyone know this self righteous idiot?.
look for him sometime at a local gb near you.
Can we use names?
Anyone know this self righteous idiot?
Look for him sometime at a local GB near you. I think he'll get there soon enough.
how many of you still believe in god after your experience of the watchtower?
do you believe in a different god than the one of the org.
one who won't destroy somebody just because he wasn't in the good religion.
Nicolas
If you believe in the bible. Then you must believe in the flood of Noahs day right?
How many children do you think died then?
God says "Here's what I'm gonna do. Here's what you need to do to survive. I've done my part, now you do the rest."
