Trying to provide a rebuttal against Ray Franz books. It was a bridge too far or mission impossible. 2 - 3 years later, disassociated.
Longlivetherenegades
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What made you look behind the jw curtain?
by Touchofgrey ini was listening to a lunchtime call in radio show about jws and the personal experiences of being disfellowshiped, and a former elder called in saying he was disfellowshiped for asking about jws and their involvement in the un in the 1990s ,and he just said look it up.. thinking that it was a made up lie ,so i looked it up and it was true even a letter confirming it from the un itself and that led me here and to jwfacts and further research into the history and teachings of jw and walked out the door about 5 years ago.
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Experiences After Leaving
by Freeatlast2024 ini am writing to ask if anyone cares to share their experience and/or offer advice for people leaving.
i was raised in the religion, and both my parents died when i was very young.
i recently stopped associating because my conscience no longer allows me to preach or support the organization.
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Longlivetherenegades
The book In search of Christian freedom is one you should read especially the concluding part applies to your moving on and forward.
Ray Franz got very good explanation as to how to use your freedom while free. Keep your mental balance as to how you sway to right or left. Watchtower has made thousands of decisions for you. It is your time to make those decisions yourself using your freedom doing the hard work of making those decisions and facing the consequences.
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Serious sinner?
by Gorb inwith the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
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Longlivetherenegades
That fear of man got me laughing 😂🤣😂🤣😂
The of fear of Governing Body members is not fear of man. Dumb writers
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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change
by Listener ina change to their doctrine came from jackson.
this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.
but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.
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Longlivetherenegades
Speculation, assumptions filled religious organisation
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THE PROBLEM WITH THESE 2 NEW GB MEMBERS APPOINTMENTS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/rjr0ugtu6zu?si=d3zsz20ee33gytxi.
these new appointments are troubling, to say the least, especially considering the factors surrounding their selection.
these appointments raise key concerns about leadership, experience, and what is happening behind the scenes at the organization's headquarters.
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Longlivetherenegades
Jehovah’s organization indeed what load of lies and manipulations filled religious organisation we know is a business corporation
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Marcial--News and Update on Atlantis!
by Atlantis innews on the person you call (atlantis!).
(before he came to simon's board he was called the twin, the crawler, the titan, the scanner, and many other names to hide his identity.
he has never been caught and to this day the watchtower society has never known who he was.
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Longlivetherenegades
Good one thanks for the update
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The Bible Does Not Say
by blondie inthe wts often uses the phrase about then follows with their idea of what their god meant.
i have p0sted some of the most recent.
it is worth a look at more.
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The lying Jehovah’s organization manipulating people with words 😂🤣 and redefining terms to fit their lies and manipulations
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Ten reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses have the true religion (plus a bonus one)
by slimboyfat inthinking back when i was a true believer these are probably the top ten reasons why i believed jws are the true religion.
1. they show love among themselves by not going to war.
not killing your fellow believers in any circumstances, including war, would seem to be a very basic requirement for true christianity.
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Jehovah's Witnesses pride themselves in their neutrality doctrine but don't know the consequences of James 4:17 as captured in their commentary books on James......
17 Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him
This statement by James is evidently a conclusion to what he has just said about self-assumption and vain boasting, neglecting our complete dependence upon God. Jehovah requires humility and the acknowledgment of him as the source of life and all good things; and we must recognize that ..we can accomplish nothing lasting without his favor and help. If a Christian knows this and does not act accordingly, it is a sin to him. But James' words can have broader application. Many are the parables and statements in God's Word that emphasize the seriousness of sins of omission. (Luke 12:47, 48) In Jesus' parable of the sheep and the goats, the goats are condemned, not for any specific bad, illegal or immoral thing that they did, but for not helping Christ's brothers when they had opportunity. (Matt. 25:41-46; compare 1 John 3:15-17; Proverbs 3:27, 28.) The Wicked slave in the parable of the talents is not accused of doing anything forbidden, but of not using the talent committed to him as he should have done. He merely buried it and returned it without gain to his master. He did not use it for the purpose for which it was committed to him.(Matt. 25:24-27) In the illustration about the rich manman and Lazarus, the rich man is not charged with specifically doing something unlawful. Rather, he failed to use his riches in the right way.(Luke 16:19-21, 25)Close self-examination is required on the part of all Christians, for it is sometimes easier to avoid doing something that we should not do than it is to exert ourselves and do the things that we know we should do.
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Close self-examination is required on the part of all Christians, for it is sometimes easier to avoid doing something that we should not do than it is to exert ourselves and do the things that we know we should do.
Jehovah's witnesses like folding arms and claim to sit on the fence in cases where they are supposed to exert themselves and do things they know they should do but since their gods of men have decided to regiment their consciousness and conscience they sit idle.
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Ten reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses have the true religion (plus a bonus one)
by slimboyfat inthinking back when i was a true believer these are probably the top ten reasons why i believed jws are the true religion.
1. they show love among themselves by not going to war.
not killing your fellow believers in any circumstances, including war, would seem to be a very basic requirement for true christianity.
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Longlivetherenegades
Thinking back when I was a true believer these are probably the top ten reasons why I believed JWs are the true religion.
Jehovah's witnesses standard formula of self righteousness and template for notorious acts and hypocrisy in their midst because true religion is based on their group thinking than what the individual does. The Bible never define true religion based on the concocted doctrines of a religious organization that came into existence?+/-150 years ago.
1. They show love among themselves by not going to war. Not killing your fellow believers in any circumstances, including war, would seem to be a very basic requirement for true Christianity.
They show love to one another through child abuse, wife swapping, domestic violence, wife bartering, murder, embezzlement, bribery(Mexico) party card (Malawi). Families are still divided in their midst, fights of all sorts take place. Members cannot even marry one another easily.
2. They honour Jehovah’s name by using it and giving it prominence. Again this would seem to be a very basic requirement for Christians who are said to be called out of the nations as “a people for his name”.
The name given to Jehovah's witnesses and took up by Jehovah's witnesses by those they say don't know God by name aka Babylon the great the empire of false religion. The name that already exist and know by Christians before the birth of Russell the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses.
3. They reject the post biblical teaching of the Trinity which uses language that is not found in the Bible and distances people from God by making him appear incomprehensible.
Accepting or rejecting Trinity doctrine has nothing to do with true Christians or false Christians. In reality Trinity made other Christian denominations draw closer to Jesus and by extension the Father more than Jehovah's witnesses drawing close to the Father through Jesus Christ. Jehovah's witnesses were even not to love Jesus too much or too little 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
4. They teach the truth about who Jesus is as God’s firstborn and his loyal servant.
What many other Christian denomination teach and Jehovah's witnesses still call them false Christian and religion.
5. They point to God’s kingdom as the only hope for mankind as Jesus and the early Christian’s did and don’t get involved in politics or social or protest movements.
Every other Christian denomination preached about the good tidings of God's kingdom as lasting solution to mankind's problem and they don't stay idle and sit on the fence allowing the rote that plague mankind continue without doing nothing to arrest it.
6. They preach and publish in more languages than any other group in history, fulfilling the Bible prophecy about preaching to all the earth in the last days.
Before the existence of the the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, billions already knows about the last days and God's kingdom even in foreign languages. Knowing about God in your native language does not qualify as signs of a true Christians anyway.
7. Their founder Russell rediscovered basic Bible truths at a time when technology was in place to facilitate the preaching work worldwide.
Rather Russell categorically said they didn't discover Bible truth or produce new truth as it were. It cut and paste from various teachings in existence from established Christian denomination over the years.
8. Jehovah’s Witnesses have increased from a tiny number in one country to be a great crowd of worshippers from all nations of the world.
Should population be used as criteria for determining true religion even the Shia group in Iran are doing well than Jehovah's witnesses aka Jehovah's organization 🤣😂🤣😂
9. Each of the JW leaders has been just what was needed at the time for Jehovah to accomplish his purpose: Russell to recover Bible truth; Rutherford to arrange a theocratic structure and remove remaining false beliefs and practices; Knorr to organise the logistics of an unprecedented worldwide preaching campaign; Franz to provide a Bible translation that accurately conveys God’s word; the Governing Body in the final part of this system of things to prepare God’s people to come through the Great Tribulation and into the new world.
To say Jehovah need Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and the rest that follow in the last +/-150 years is to make Jesus words in Matthew 28:18-20 a lie and limit the power of God making stones to talk and convey the good news to the most distant places of the earth gathering people towards God
10. Witness teaching about humans looking forward to endless life on earth makes better sense as our biblical destiny rather than viewing this life a waiting room before we go to heaven.
The eyes have not seen what God has in store for his own people whether heaven or earth. Irrelevant as it concerns being a true religion or not.
11. Witness teaching that God’s sovereignty has been challenged and will be vindicated makes sense of human history, gives an explanation for suffering, and offers the hope that it will end permanently in the future under God’s kingdom.
+/- 8 millions survival of the end gives testament about his sovereignty against billions that will perish 😂🤣😂🤣
These are the kinds of thoughts and reasons that convinced me JWs had truth. Other groups may meet one or a few of these points to varying degrees, but only JWs meet all of them combined. What were your reasons for believing JW have the truth?
The better and quicker that everyone out there given them opportunity know that the one thing Jehovah's witnesses are very poor at doing is keeping their so called standards like the pharisees of Jesus day. The standard they use in judging others they cannot keep.
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Ten reasons Jehovah’s Witnesses have the true religion (plus a bonus one)
by slimboyfat inthinking back when i was a true believer these are probably the top ten reasons why i believed jws are the true religion.
1. they show love among themselves by not going to war.
not killing your fellow believers in any circumstances, including war, would seem to be a very basic requirement for true christianity.
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Longlivetherenegades
Thank you peacefulpete for those comments regarding neutrality. Just like I had discussion over the neutrality doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses over time. I have come to realise Jehovah's witnesses don't even know what they believe regarding that or purposely redefine the word to match their agenda. Neutrality means you are not here or there. Regarding government or politics of the day, they say only God's kingdom is the solution to mankind problem. It simply means they are not neutral to politics or government.