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  Were You A Sneaky Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  you know, the type that looked like a model witness but at home you were not the best example o your family?.

  or maybe you accepted from the faithful slave that oral sex was bad, but you did it secretly---same with masturbation.. or perhaps you put in some wonderful hours and placements on that report slip, knowing you might have exaggerated just a bit.. so, were you one who practiced what you preached?.

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  I never broke the rules because I never believed there were rules to break.
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  Logical Fallacies in WT Publications

  by Oubliette in

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  Rattigan350

  why do people keep writing "marked" or "marking" in threads?

  Is it like a marking talk?
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  How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

  by mP in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

  im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

  then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

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  Rattigan350

  " Jesus is never mentioned by name or title(son of god, messiah etc). Why didnt Moses simply write Jesus son of God here ? The answer is of course Jesus is a new made up invention that only appears in the NT, there is no Jesus in the OT. If you dont blieve me ask any Rabbi."

  Think about it. If Moses had said that the person would be named Jesus and gave more specifics, then everyone would name their kids Jesus and arrange the specifics.

  Yes, that was how to identify false prophets in that many would claim to be the messiah and how to find the real one and what to do with him.

  But the issue and problem never is who Jesus was just as it is not about whether God created everything. The issues is what Jesus and God will do in the future and when.
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  C.O. Reports: JWs/WTS "Reach Critical Mass...

  by BitterTruth in

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  jehovah's witnesses/wts have reached "critical mass" - says ex-circuit overseer.

  ------posting copied from h2o-----.

  posted by xelder [seeker4] on july 13, 2000 at 12:00:52 {rn3hpwrs1eubi2tgjvegd9bhhxgwag}:.

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  How about the fact of the Law of diminishing returns.

  It is the same problem of MLM. As more people preach and then join, there is more people preaching and fewer people to preach to and less territory. That is the problem with Multi Level Marketing. When the congregations grow, they split and the territories split and less to preach to. Soon people can only take out a street or a block. How to pioneers get their hours in when there is no territory to work?

  wallsofjericho above wrote "1935 closing of the call - gone"

  I don't know why people believed that Rutherford's declaration that the great crowd of Rev 7 being the ones not anointed at that time, means that the anointing stopped except for replacements. That was not taught in the literature. What was taught was the general or mass anointing stopped.

  Steve2 said: My mantra has often been, the Watchtower's biggest enemy is not apostasy but apathy."

  And the economy. That is what is shutting things down. I love it when the economy goes bad and gas prices go up. Pioneers get hit and people out of work means less donations and attendance.
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  Challenge for JW's - how do you arrive at 1919 using the Bible alone?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  jw apologists or anyone, convince us why you are sure that jesus appointed the watchtower society in 1919 using the bible alone.

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  " Jesus appointed the Watchtower Society in 1919 "

  First you start by stating where you got this from? Where does this idea come from in that you posted it?

  But the reason that 1919 has been significant in organization history is that, that is when the Cedar Point assembly of advertise the king and the kingdom was. That was the sign that they left Babylon the great.

  Does it need to be in the Bible?
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  Moses and his God directed mass genocide.

  by AMO in

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  was wondering what modern day christians take is on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands perhaps millons, on his god directed journey to the promised land.???.

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  amo.

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  My take on it:

  Yes.

  Can't wait until he does it again.
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  He Is Risen, the axial component of christianity

  by designs in

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  sunday hundreds of millions and possibly up to two billion people will join in some service in observance of the resurrection of jesus.

  it is the central issue which takes the teachings of jesus from the philosophy of doing good to others to the ultimate truth which it claims.

  it was the axial argument of the apostle paul in 1 cor.

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  "He is risen" is totally bad grammar.

  I learned that it is rise, rising, rose and has risen. But rise is the wrong word since he was dead and could not rise. He was raised by Jehovah God. So the proper term was he was raised.
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  How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

  by mP in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

  im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

  then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

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  Rather thatn state the obvious christian belief, try and show a scripture from moses (who wrote the law) that demands a perfect man will come and die and abolish this law. The simple answer is you cant because he in no way hints at a Jesus figure or equivalent.

  You cannot fulfill a law you can only fulfill a prophecy. How exactly does one fulfill laws like thou shall not murder, thou shall celebrate the sabbath. If you were born a vegatable you would also not break any of moses laws.

  Moses has no prophecies. There are no prophecies about a future messiah like Jesus anywhere in the OT. Jesus does not appear inthe OT. Just be honest, you can still believe in jesus but dont about telling lies that he fulfilled the law of Moses.

  Moses wasn't trying to write a demand that a perfect man will come and die and abolish the law. He just wrote what Jehovah told him to, and Jehovah didn't set it out in such clear terms. If it were, then there would be no need for the law as a model.

  Jesus fulfilled the law in that he did not break any of it. He went to the temple and made sacrifices when prescribed. When he died, that was no longer necessary. Thus the law stating sacrifices were neccessary, no longer applied; thus he fulfilled the law. The Law as a whole was a prophesy of Jesus and what he was to do. It was a model showing how it was necessary for him to come, die and the spiritual temple in heaven. since we can't see heavenly things, the earthly temple was a visual model of the heavenly things, or a prophesy.

  Yes Moses had prophesies. Prophesies about Jesus. Deut 18:18 A prophet I shall raise up for them from the midst of their brothers, like you;+ and I shall indeed put my words in his mouth,+ and he will certainly speak to them all that I shall command him.+ 19 And it must occur that the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name, I shall myself require an account from him.+"
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  Do you know of CO's, DO's or their wives who are anointed?

  by Pistoff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all, help me to recognize a possible trend:.

  is your current or recently past co or do or their wives of the anointed?.

  i think i have discovered a disturbing trend..

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  Villagegirl, the fact that only kings and priests got anointed by oil means something. Not eveyrone was a king or priest.

  I don't see why anyone would want to be one now.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

  i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

  if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

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  Even if as a JW you allow that the trinity is a false doctrine and that Jesus was created by the Father, how do you explain this gulf in the way you view Jesus as compared to the place he had in the lives and worship of the New Testament Church?

  Jesus is the son of Jehovah God and gets worship, but that worship he gets is not the same or at the level that Jehovah gets. It's not the difficult to comprehend. Worship had variations and degrees.