Pickler

Joined

• started 3 topics
• posted 462 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Pickler

• 
  44

  Newby here

  by 1009 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new here and briefly want to introduce myself.. my name is michel and i am from the netherlands.

  became baptized when i was 14, started pioneering when i got 18 and i've been ms for a number of years.

  i married another pioneer and after a while we joined a foreign language congregation.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  Welcome Michel,

  happy to hear you've found a better life, look forward to hearing more from you.
• 
  36

  The day after Armageddon how will JW survive the first week?

  by TotallyADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking about this today when i was mowing the grass.

  when you look at the picture the borg always show of armageddon everything is destoryed.

  i mean nothing left everything gone.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  I personally would never want to live without indoor plumbing.

  I wouldn't want to see everyone die, even as a JW I viewed the coming Armageddon as a huge tragedy, not something to look forward to.

  It really seems such a childish fantasy now.

  I remember it being implied that all the brothers who got useful skills like building would come in handy after Armageddon.
• 
  51

  HI! im new here...

  by outofthelionsden in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  i have been reading post on this forum for many months and i wanted to thank you all for all the great posts and comments that have really helped me get through this hard year of fading.

  my husband and i where born in jdubs and almost 1 year ago we started to fade , now that we think about it has been a few years that we were suffering from cognitive dissonance without knowing it.

  we feel that finally we have our life back , a life that is just starting.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  Hey welcome! If there's anything "good" about having been a JW, it's that when you leave there are lots of amazing things that open up for you. Things which others take for granted.

  make the most of your chances to socialise, exercise, get educated and be free......good luck!
• 
  35

  Does being a "born in" blur parental vs JW issues?

  by obfuscatetheobvious in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  thank you to the many people who have posted their experiences and advice on this site!

  i have browsed a few topics but the threads that i seem to gravitate to the most deal with family.

  there is certainly a lot that i can relate to in many of the anecdotes i have read.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  Revisiting this post. I think another problem for JW parents, is that most have had a limited education. The society doesn't encourage looking out of their publications for information. The society also stresses obedience as being the ultimate sign of good parenting.

  This leads to problems because some things are developmentally normal and OK, but, the JW parent will fight this, which sets them up for constant conflict.

  For example it's normal to rebel, spend time with friends, not want to go to meetings etc etc Its also normal to question beliefs as a teen. Ever tried to question your JW parent??? What about sexuality? How could you be a teen and not question this? How could you enforce a no masturbation rule on a teenager? How could that not lead to problems???

  The JW org should really just back off over so much of this stuff. They set an impossible benchmark.
• 
  35

  Does being a "born in" blur parental vs JW issues?

  by obfuscatetheobvious in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  thank you to the many people who have posted their experiences and advice on this site!

  i have browsed a few topics but the threads that i seem to gravitate to the most deal with family.

  there is certainly a lot that i can relate to in many of the anecdotes i have read.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  Hey obfuscate,

  You are right, it's not always the religion that's the problem!

  My husband & son clash every now & again, and it's so tiresome because you can just see the tensions building. Basically it's the stereotypical dominant male clashing with the up and coming dominant male!!!!

  I can only imagine this would be worse if the father actually tried to say that he had the might of God and a whole religion on his side!!!

  i can occasionally warn my husband to back down, but, more often, I just get the hell out of the way!!!
• 
  32

  Perfume / Cologne

  by LouBelle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are some perfumes that i absolutely just love and a little squirt of it can bring back such good memories, make you feel sexy.

  my favorite is dolce & gabbana (red), followed by d&g "the one", followed by coco chanel .

  on men, i love the smell of the original hugo boss - used to make my tummy clench in a good way .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  Issey Miyake I've been wearing this for years, it's a "green" kind of smell, light & beautiful

  i also wear happy by Clinique. This is a funny one, whenever I wear it I get lots of compliments & people are shocked when I tell them what it is. They say they don't like the smell of it from the bottle, but, on my skin at least it changes in to something lovely.

  Recently I have been covering myself n scented body oils & coconut oil, which has been a nice alternative to strong perfumes.

  oh...green tea by Elizabeth Arden is lovely.

  i have a sentimental favourite white musk from the body shop, reminds me of my teens
• 
  23

  The Experts- Jehovahs Witnesses

  by jean-luc picard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking this weekend of a brother i first met when i was a teenager.. not yet an elder, this brother was very outspoken, and was viewed a kind of hero to the r&f.. an inexperienced teen, i also believed ( influenced by others) that this guy was a godsend.. looking back, with the eyes of a more mature person, i now consider him an arrogant self opinionated bully.. he later became an elder and i might add that he also had an imposing physical appearance .

  but he had no education.

  no schooling.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  My JW mum knew everything there was to know about everything, always!!!

  This became more clear to me after I was DF & became a parent myself. I've had experiences that she cannot comprehend, like, life changing illness/near death experiences, travel, career etc etc

  When she has heard these things her immediate response is to lecture me.....based on what? I don't know? An article in Awake or Watchtower? I have actually had the experience......but, that doesn't count when compared with what she is going to tell me about it!!!! She is now going to lecture me on my life....by telling me what she knows, which is what the org has told her!!!

  She could actually listen to me, but, I'm not Gods organisation, so what would be the point?

  i haven't actually spoken to her for years now anyway, I'm sure she's still the worlds expert on everything.
• 
  50

  People who pioneer on government assistance

  by ilikecheese in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a chat with my boyfriend about this, and he said that he knows quite a few pioneers who are capable of working but prefer to pioneer with government assistance.

  his thought was, "well, it's kind of bad, but at least they're doing something useful/good with their time.

  " i know from reading this board that it's a pretty widespread thing.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  I remember, the more lowly your job = the more highly regarded you were in the hall. Anyone who had a half way decent job was viewed with suspicion. Unless of course you happened to be part of a highly regarded family, or an elders family. They seemed to live under different rules.

  My orginal congregations were full of builders and window washers. There were brothers who owned these business though, and I think they did very well out of them. They had a cheap supply of labour by employing all the young brothers or sisters who left school at 14 years and 9 months (this was the legal age for leaving then).

  These young kids spent the first 2 years out of school spending money, buying cars & getting married. Then begins the slow process of realising that being a window washer is not a career and.....maybe your going to have to support yourself & your family for a long time!

  cue a "bad back" and the disability cycle begins!
• 
  42

  Leaving...

  by LouBelle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just broke down in such an ugly cry at work.

  walked outside and just sobbed my guts out.

  i am so very unhappy here.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  Fingers crossed for you Lou B, if the job is making you so unhappy, get out!

  Have a good nights sleep & re think it, things look better in the morning.
• 
  53

  The watchtower is making some dangerous enemies

  by 20yearfader in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weekend i spent time with a friend that i haven't seen since high school,that would be 22 years.he grew up the same way i did being a born in.he and i both received our share of beatings related to the wt org coming to the hall without a song book not getting a comment low hours in field service etc....where we differ is the fact that his stepdad was beating him with his fist i got the belt or a stick.he would come to school with black eyes due to his infractions with the hall.after we left schoo we lost touch since he was still living at home an going to the meetings and i wasn't, kicked out at 17 so that ending my time with the org.he stayed at home until 21 still getting his fair share of beatings due to any sort of failing that had to do with the org.he left after one beating and joined the marines,he was dfed.while in the marines he told me he asked an got sniper training becoming a deadly shot,he also told me he always volunteered for the most dangerous missions.i can see that he was doing this to escape the pain of his upbringing even to his subconscious mind secrectly hoping to die on one of these missions.he tells me he has some sort of nerve disability that will progress until he cant walk,he has hearing loss due to a grenade going off by his head'he knows one day he will be in a wheelchair disabled it's only a matter of time.he hasn't spoke to his mother and his family in over 20 years they care nothing about him not even returning the calls he leaves on there answering machine,he told me he calls once a month for the past 20 years.sitting here at my house he says out of the clear blue you know i've thought a lot about going to brooklyn and with the skills i have i could do a lot of damage to those men that have ruined my life.i talked him out of it i think,i told him about this site where he could come to vent,because i think he needs to vent badly.i don't know what will happen to him when he is told his quality of life will get worse and if he will revisit the idea of lashing out at what he thinks has ruin his life,i don't know what he will do and even though i think i talked him out of doing anything,can i really say i blame him.i'm in the same boat my family is fractured broken all because of some men,men in brooklyn that hold more control over my family than i can,i wonder do thay ever think about the countless people that they affect with there shunning methods how many broken families they leave in there wake.i will say one thing there are many others out there that think the way my friend does i feel it's only a matter of time before karma comes a knocking..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Pickler

  I hate the WTBTS, but, even without their influence his parents still sound absolutely awful. They would have been sh*t no matter what.

  How come the WTBTS never seems to bring out the best in anyone, rather, seems to provide a haven for some of the worst parents & abusers?

  Is it because once someone is in they get validation for just attending the hall? Really, do they ever sit there & genuinely think, what kind of a parent/person am I?

  No, because they sit there hearing how they are better than everyone else in the world, then they can go home & beat up their kids with a clean conscience, monsters!!!!!!!!