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Saturday's Conference Call

by worf in

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did anyone hear this past saturday's conference call with rick?.

one of his guests brought out how back in 1989 the wt was considering whether or not they should disfellowship those in the congregations who were overweight!

their rationale for this was that since smoking was already a disfellowshipping offense and since smoking is bad for your health, being overweight is also bad for your health, therefore should it be made into a disfellowshipping offense.

worf

Thanks Jamie.

I just hope that if current jws were listening in, that my experience with the GB, the Circuit Overseers, the District Overseer, and those elders, that it helps people to see that all these so-called leaders in the wt are nothing but a bunch of men who will even go against their own rules, and writings as well as go against the bible itself in order to keep someone from standing up for justice and for what is right. And zI hope that such experiences helps them to see that there is no god, and no jehovah supporting the wt.

That is also why I said on the conference call that people should read the story of Richard Rawe and his wife and what happened to them. If anyone thought my story was strange or unbelievable, they need to read about Richard Rawe. That story of the evil injustice that the wt puts onto people who stand up for what is right blows your mind.

Worf

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Saturday's Conference Call

by worf in

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friends

did anyone hear this past saturday's conference call with rick?.

one of his guests brought out how back in 1989 the wt was considering whether or not they should disfellowship those in the congregations who were overweight!

their rationale for this was that since smoking was already a disfellowshipping offense and since smoking is bad for your health, being overweight is also bad for your health, therefore should it be made into a disfellowshipping offense.

worf

Did anyone hear this past Saturday's conference call with Rick?

One of his guests brought out how back in 1989 the wt was considering whether or not they should disfellowship those in the congregations who were overweight! Their rationale for this was that since smoking was already a disfellowshipping offense and since smoking is bad for your health, being overweight is also bad for your health, therefore should it be made into a disfellowshipping offense. So they had the elders in all congregations decide on whether they thought this should be made into a rule.Apparently this attempt to make this into a general rule did not go through. This piece of information was very interesting to me because since I was not an elder at that time, I never knew about this. Many of us had a good laugh when we heard this on the conference call.

When you think about it, you've got to say to yourself: Who are these people!? I mean, who are they to determine that someone should be cut off from their family and friends because a bunch of old men from Brooklyn, some of them overweight themselves, and groups of uneducated elders, many of them also overweight, decide that a certain person weighs too much and must be disciplined for it? And also, what was the weight limit going to be established at?

This attempt by them to make being overweight a disfellowshipping offense is another thing that shows just how silly, stupid and dangerously controlling this wt cult organization and it so-called leaders are.

Worf

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Farkel Mentioned Gedanken, & Other Posters I Miss

by Seeker4 in

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in the farkel writes a book thread, he mentioned gedanken, who was one of the more interesting posters on the old h2o.

it reminded me of him and some other posters i enjoyed but miss now.

what's the story with gedanken?.

worf

I remember You Know. We had a good time slapping him around on H20.

The false gb member.

The famous Your Will Be Done book which was released at the 1958 international conventions. I read that book while growing up in the borg. I still have it.That book has some really wild statements such claiming that jehover would use antimatter to help clean up the destruction caused by armageddon. Just more wishful thinking by a cult mentality.

Worf

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Farkel Mentioned Gedanken, & Other Posters I Miss

by Seeker4 in

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in the farkel writes a book thread, he mentioned gedanken, who was one of the more interesting posters on the old h2o.

it reminded me of him and some other posters i enjoyed but miss now.

what's the story with gedanken?.

worf

I enjoyed Gedankens posts.

Also Maximus helped me out a lot in my case. I'll never forget him.

Worf

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MY LETTER of disassociation from JWD

by journey-on in

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decades ago, when my brother was a teenager and i a young 20 something year old full of the truth, he got disfellowshipped for inappropriate behavior with his 17-year old girlfriend.

he cried.

i remember it like it was yesterday.

worf

I would also like to know what has happened.

Worf

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Farkel Writes a Book?

by Farkel in

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several years ago i was contacted by a well-known (actually famous and well-published) professor from the university of california at san diego and we had lunch.

he bought lunch.

doesn't everyone write books to make a whole big bunch of money?.

worf

Yes. Write your book. I would definitely buy it. Even now I always make sure I read any posts from you.

Worf

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Does Someone Have to be Religious to Be a Good Person?

by flipper in

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this is something my wife and i were discussing the other day .

in a general view of religious people - most religious people feel it makes them holier, better, or on a higher moral plane claiming to worship god in an organized religion.

in the jehovah's witnesses view - the outside world is evil, and they claim that if you get away from their religion , and " fall away" a person is doomed to go astray, doing various sundry things like murder, adultery, stealing, orgies, because " they claim " that they have fallen " out of " god's favor.

worf

WT Wizard,

Your comments are right on target.

Worf

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Does Someone Have to be Religious to Be a Good Person?

by flipper in

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this is something my wife and i were discussing the other day .

in a general view of religious people - most religious people feel it makes them holier, better, or on a higher moral plane claiming to worship god in an organized religion.

in the jehovah's witnesses view - the outside world is evil, and they claim that if you get away from their religion , and " fall away" a person is doomed to go astray, doing various sundry things like murder, adultery, stealing, orgies, because " they claim " that they have fallen " out of " god's favor.

worf

Mr. Flipper,

I have to say I agree with you. Even though I was born into the borg, I can honestly say that I have met more decent people outside of the wt and outside of organized religion. So in my opinion, you don't have to be religious to be a good person.

Worf

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Hello! Is there a list of WTS changes since 1995?

by Mr. Ted in

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a young friend told me about this discussion forum.

i completely "stopped" being a jw around 1995. i was wondering if there is a succinct list -- somewhere on-line -- of changes/events that the wts has gone through in the last 12 years?

i haven't received any of the publications or really spoken with any jws in many years.

worf

To treadnh2o: "144,000 is no longer considered a literal number. It has now been revealed to the witlesses as being symbolic. That is an absolutely incorrect statement. Part of my enlightenment was watching this literal # grow. It is important to verify facts prior to posting them as true statements, The more misstatements that are made might cause one to dismiss JWD prematurely." treadnh2o: I saw that posted in another thread so it did not come from me. So just chill out. Additionally, the fact that 1935 is no longer the cut off date for the sealing of the so-called 144,000 means that they have essentially already said that 144,000 is not literal, as any person with some sense of math would realize. Worf

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Hello! Is there a list of WTS changes since 1995?

by Mr. Ted in

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a young friend told me about this discussion forum.

i completely "stopped" being a jw around 1995. i was wondering if there is a succinct list -- somewhere on-line -- of changes/events that the wts has gone through in the last 12 years?

i haven't received any of the publications or really spoken with any jws in many years.

worf

Hello Mr. Ted,

You can add these to the list: Witlesses can vote. ( According to wt questions from readers in 2000 Although this is in print, they would probably suffer cngregational discipline if found out.)

Witlessescan take actual blood fractions, or a combination of certain blood fractions. Basically they can take blood now. (According to wt article from June 2000. Again although this is in print, they would probably be disciplined if found out, depending on the elders in their cong.)

Here is another very significant change: The sealing of the 144,000 was not completed in 1935, as was taught to witlesses for all these many decades. According to a flicker of their latest "new light", their heavenly calling is still going on even now.

144,000 is no longer considered a literal number. It has now been revealed to the witlesses as being symbolic. (Interesting since as you know from reading COC, one of the reasons Raymond Franz and others were accused of being apostates and were kicked out of the org, was because they believed that 144000 was not a literal number.)

These are just some that come to mind right away.

Worf