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  Convention Tomorrow...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  kill me.... it's hard to put into words just how badly i do no want to sit through this 3 days of bull $hit.

  i will appreciate any and all words of condolence, humorous, serious, or otherwise.

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  Bonsai

  Walk around outside most of the day(s). Sleep in the car while pretending to listen to the program on the radio.

  Here's a better idea: just don't go.
  
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  Preach, preach, preach....feel guilty...preach some more

  by Tornintwo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since starting to wake up, i can't help notice how so many talks emphasise preaching, increasing your hours, pioneering etc...with a hefty load of guilt on the side.. i always noticed the guilt, but now i'm noticing how talks that seem to start out on another issue always seem to come back to hours!

  visit talk seemed to start out about persecution, trusting in jehovah etc...but the main thrust in the end was, 'do more hours, pioneer, don't get an education or pursue a career, don't get distracted, hooray for the pioneers!

  if you dont do more hours you will be 'the sort that shrink back to destruction'.

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  Wanna get married? Go out in service. Need a job? Go out in service. Dying of cancer? Go out in service. Tired of service? Go out in service.
  
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  Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

  page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

  "elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

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  Watchtower, It has nothing to do with parents. What it comes down to is introspection and exposure. People in their 20's and especially 30's start thinking. After 20-30 years in the truth, there has been an accumulative exposure to people in the field and at work who are knowledgeable about evolution and inconsistencies in creationism. They learn from "non-apostates" the lies and contradictions percolating in the organization. They realize that none of what they have been taught as truth makes any sense. They release that they will have to retire and die in the real world, so they have to actually live in the real world and get a full-time job etc.

  There comes a point in life when the scales fall off and you realize that you are slaving for a human organization that wants all of your time, money and energy before you die. Therefore, young ones everywhere are dropping the microphone and exiting stage left. You can hear the jingle as the shackles of Fear, Obligation and Guilt slide off their ankles at the door.
  
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  A Hummingbird in My House

  by Oubliette in

  1. social
  2. current

  we just had a hummingbird in our house!

  it flew in through an open door.

  i had been cleaning my back patio and left the screen open for a few moments when i was putting stuff away.

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  Hummingbirds are so awesome! I wish we had them where I live. Makes me miss home where they are everywhere.
  
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  If the Governing Body members had to take a 'lie detector test' what questions would you recommend they are asked?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think it is reasonable for every leader or head of any organization that has control of peoples thinking and actions should, by law, submit to a lie detector test.

  the results would be accessible to any one who had an interest in the matter.this test would be required before appointment to any position and on a yearly basis.

  questions could be submitted to a competent and unbiased committee for approval.

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  Have you been guilty of playing with your one-eyed snake recently?

  Does having power over people give you a hard-on?

  Do men in tight clothes excite you?
  

  Do you really believe in god?

  I bet there is at least one in that bunch who is agnostic and faking it.
  
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  New (non)-Witnessing Model

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, one of the kids on reddit posted this video - an evangelist trying to witness to guardians of the cart.

  (both sides are fairly respectful imo).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbc9c4ajly&feature=youtu.be.

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  The JW seemed very disinterested in engaging the evangelist in discussing the bible. "You wanna free publication? Great. Here you go. Feel free to make a donation for that by the way. Our society needs the money to build a nice posh new paradise like head quarters in New York. Before you leave I want you to watch this video, though. Oh, you have questions? Well, we are not here to discuss the bible. We are not here to debate. We are only here to count our time (to maintain our social status in the congregation) and close our ears to anything that might contradict what we want to believe in."

  Been out for just a little while, yet it amazes me how watered down this religion has become. Can you imagine Paul or Peter or James sitting around idly, brushing off someone who was eager to discuss what the good news meant with him?
  
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  HELP - A Guide to Fade

  by cognitivedizzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey everybody, been here lurking for years now... i tired of all the gb 2.0 shit and need to fade successfullydo we have a guide, i am very tempted to go out with a bang, but i want my wife with me, she aint a strong witness and would happily trust me ... i love her a lot.

  status as of now,,, read coc isocf, been through jw facts and am convinced this religion is bs, also a ms now :( damn.

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  I stepped down on my own terms. I informed them I was moving and that I didn't want them sending any letter of recommendation to the new congregation. It made everything a lot less scandalous.
  
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  What was your eye opening moment?

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.

  i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.

  i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.

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  Natural disasters. Especially the 2011 earthquake and tsunami in Japan. One nitwit elder tried to tell me that god was exempt from blood guilt in not warning people because he didn't know it was going to happen. He explained that at times, god chooses to block his ability to foresee things that will happen in the future. God getting plausible deniability did not sit well with me. We are supposed to witness to the nations that an impending calamity is going to destroy this world, yet god can't take the time to warn innocent children and grandmas to get ready for a destructive earthquake that only god could know about or prevent from happening. If god doesn't care about warning people, why should I?
  
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  Schoolyard bully mentality

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not naming names, but i just want to encourage people on here or on reddit or twitter, and tell you that you do not have to tolerate people who act like schoolyard bullies in the way they speak to you online.

  i think anonymity is a big part of it.

  they feel like there is zero accountability so they can be a bully all they want.. i recommend just ignoring or blocking anyone who is verbally abusive or treats you like schoolyard bullies treated you.. life is way too short to spend any time dealing with those kinds of people..

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  I've been a small time poster here to this forum for a few months. What I know is limited, which is why I have made few threads (only one) and have tried not to throw my weight around or coerce people into believing what I believe. We all have partial knowledge of anything if you really think about it. That being said, you FusionTheism have made 50 threads and only posted 170 times! You seem to write a lot, teach your brand of things. You flood the forum with your postulations and observations without posting much or replying to posters who answer your inquiries with honesty and effort. I'm not surprised that you are being bullied at all. The nail that sticks up often gets smashed back down. You seem to have an agenda and are using this forum to advertise it. Do you want to start a new religion? Maybe you can be the Governing Body of one!

  Discussing the possibility of a deity or supernatural power existing is interesting. I don't mind it at all. But there is something about the way you write that just really irritates me. You seem to want to be a good punching bag, so don't get offended when people take swings at you. You also slink out of threads that you started really quickly. You seem to be the kind that lights a fire to something and runs away to avoid the consequences.
  

  I bet if we met in real life, there would be many things to like about you, but I think I'm done with engaging you or your threads... Life is too short.

  By the way, I think we can use the word "bully" just like "apostate". Its an easy way to attack those critical of what you write or think. Just another ad hominem attack really...
  
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  The Case for Theism

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.

  " ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.

  atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.

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  FusionTheism,

  I think we both can agree that: either a god or deity exists, yet doesn't care about humans at all. Or, there is no creator, initiator or alien race that seeded the planet. Either way, why should we care? What is the difference between the two realities? Neither reality is going to change the fact that my loved one who is being eaten away by cancer is going to die and in all likely-hood, stay dead. If there are any initiators/creators, they clearly do not seem to be interested in being discovered by humans.