I went for a about 15 years as a PIMI believing that Christ died upon a cross, after I was challenged on a door about it. There is just to much evidence to suggest otherwise. I just wish it had been the thing to motivate me to leave.
joe134cd
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How Many Of You Knew Something Was Really Wrong Growing Up JW? What was Your First Clue?
by Sea Breeze inthis is directed to born-ins.
around age 10 or 12 is when it first hit me.
i started asking questions about how the world worked and i really wanted an honest opinion from my parents.
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Bill & Joan Cetnar Expose Watchtower Claims
by Sea Breeze inin this classic interview with john ankerberg, bill and joan cetnar expose many outlandish watchtower claims.
it is a major part of ex-jw history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcwrmtfdeji&t=709s&ab_channel=mr.alithea .
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joe134cd
Just curious but are they still alive.
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Do you think the JW's ever will or could go the Mormon route?
by BettyHumpter inwhat i mean is the mormon's have their own set of wacky beliefs and are a pretty insular group, engage in a form of door to door ministry but don't discourage higher education.
in fact, the handful of mormons i went to school with were pushed to excel academically and go to college.
yeah there are ex mormons but for a great many, going to university doesn't turn them into atheists.
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joe134cd
In a monetary sense the, LDS will outlast the JWs.
About pay rolling? If you watch that video. The comment was made that the LDS could pay each member $US7000 annually just to turn up to church, and it could still survive.
Many here unjustly claim that Wt is primarily about the money. But when compared to the LDS. There wealth of a couple billion dollars is very modest indeed.
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Do you think the JW's ever will or could go the Mormon route?
by BettyHumpter inwhat i mean is the mormon's have their own set of wacky beliefs and are a pretty insular group, engage in a form of door to door ministry but don't discourage higher education.
in fact, the handful of mormons i went to school with were pushed to excel academically and go to college.
yeah there are ex mormons but for a great many, going to university doesn't turn them into atheists.
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joe134cd
Smiles - the LDS is more a multinational company, than what it is a religion. There could be fewer than 1.5 million, temple recommend holders. To hold a temple recommend would be the equivalent of a baptised, full believing, Pioneer in JWland.
The LDS is the wealthiest religion on the planet. Close to a trillion dollars.
The 2 religions, have 2 different problems. JWs will probably run out of money before they run out of members. Where as the LDS will probably run out of members before it runs out of money. The LDS is not dependent on membership donations. Even if the religion side of the LDS collapsed. It could carry on as a corporation for many years.
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Do you think the JW's ever will or could go the Mormon route?
by BettyHumpter inwhat i mean is the mormon's have their own set of wacky beliefs and are a pretty insular group, engage in a form of door to door ministry but don't discourage higher education.
in fact, the handful of mormons i went to school with were pushed to excel academically and go to college.
yeah there are ex mormons but for a great many, going to university doesn't turn them into atheists.
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joe134cd
Mormons make JWs look like the true religion. I mean that sincerely
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Do you think the JW's ever will or could go the Mormon route?
by BettyHumpter inwhat i mean is the mormon's have their own set of wacky beliefs and are a pretty insular group, engage in a form of door to door ministry but don't discourage higher education.
in fact, the handful of mormons i went to school with were pushed to excel academically and go to college.
yeah there are ex mormons but for a great many, going to university doesn't turn them into atheists.
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joe134cd
Smiles - I love this argument. I’ve argued this point extensively, in the past, and the idea that the Mormon church is bigger is simply not true. Even with a 50% JW PIMO rate they would probably break even with LDS membership. Please read the following links.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5748058095616000/jws-bigger-more-successful-mormon-church?page=5
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5926017217593344/lds-statistics-extension-may-suggest-that-jws-could-bigger-more-engaged-membership
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Do you think the JW's ever will or could go the Mormon route?
by BettyHumpter inwhat i mean is the mormon's have their own set of wacky beliefs and are a pretty insular group, engage in a form of door to door ministry but don't discourage higher education.
in fact, the handful of mormons i went to school with were pushed to excel academically and go to college.
yeah there are ex mormons but for a great many, going to university doesn't turn them into atheists.
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joe134cd
Why would JWs want to go the Mormon route. They already have a bigger more engaged following. In the present situation, with covid, they have feared better than the LDS. -
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10 years on and I’m still indoctrinated
by joe134cd inthis experience highlights the level of my indoctrination, after 10 years of been a pomo.
a few months back my gf was hinting to me about what we could do for my birthday.
to be honest i just had no idea, that i even had a birthday.
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joe134cd
This experience highlights the level of my indoctrination, after 10 years of been a POMO. A few months back my GF was hinting to me about what we could do for my birthday. To be honest I just had no idea, that I even had a birthday. It wasn’t until she frustratingly came out and stated to me it was my birthday that I realised what was going on. Although she was understanding, she felt as though I didn’t want to shear this occasion with her. I guess it just goes to show the different mindsets.
Although I never stated this to her, I really can’t be bothered with birthdays and Christmas. I actually see this as an advantage of been a former JW. I kind of feel embarrassed having a Birthday. But I conceded to a restaurant meal. It goes to show the level of my conditioning.
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Local congregation donation and expense report. Very telling
by nowwhat? inin july the congregation received $2300.00.
only 40.00 for the worldwide work and zero for ramapo project!!!.
if this is typical no wonder the org.
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joe134cd
I was Transitioning at the time from PIMO to POMO. I remember having a discussion with the accounts servant about money coming in to money going out. He outrightly admitted to me that there was no way the donations were covering the cost for the literature. I stated that he felt embarrassed at the amount of money publishers were giving. This was at least 10 years ago, before the advent of JW.borg.
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Immidiate regret. Third rule broken, namely: passion rules reason
by Judgerussellford ini chose world events as a topic because it was the only one that seemed fitting enough.
i left work early (if you can call 445-3 early) so i could get some shopping done, fill up, grab a scratcher for the wife and be on my way home.
after i filled the tank i strolled into the tiny room of the gas station, to find myself behind an argument just started.
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joe134cd
I don’t live in the U.S. But in the 4 times I have visited there. I have found them to be very rude, aggressive, and not prepared to put up with someone else. Despite how big or small the event may be. I heard this joke the other day: “how many Americans does it take to change a light bulb. None! Because the world revolves around them.” I certainly think there could be some truth in that statement.
So does all this self entitlement, aggression, and fighting over quarters, make them a more happier cohesive society.
nationwide, almost one in five people (47.1 million) in the U.S. are living with a mental health condition. That number increased by about 1.5 million over last year's report. About 10% of youth in the U.S have severe depression. This was highest among youth who identify as more than one race, at 12%.
https://mhanational.org/issues/mental-health-america-printed-reports
Its sobering to think about.