Posts by robhic

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Does Jehovah protect his "people"?

by sonnyboy in

an an exjw, i'm well aware of the fact that they arrogantly think they're god's only chosen people.. my family used to be frequently visited by an elder and his family.

my family strayed from "the truth", and they would constantly come to our home and try to get us back on the "straight and narrow" path.. so, what happened to this elder and his family?

their adult daughter was accused of having sexual relations with a 13 year old boy.

robhic

I've pondered this exact point many times, myself. I am not a JW but have a (girl)friend who is. Her health is total shit and has been for a while, starting about 2 years after baptism. (Co-incidence...?) She also belongs to a congregation where there seems to be an extremely high incidence of bad health and other associated negatives. If they are the J-man's #1, then why so much bad luck? And no respite in sight.

In fact, I am geting ready to go visit my squeeze in the hospital where she has been since yesterday. She woke all right but started having trouble early in the A.M. and her daughter called an ambulance to take her to emergency. There they found she was in a type of septic shock (!!!) and the family was consulted about resucitation and the like. Holy cow! Pretty serious for someone under the blanket of jehovah's protection. Why isn't jehovah watching over these people? Last time my friend was in the hospital there were no less than 3 other members of her cong in at the same time!

Looks to me to be a good reason/time to switch teams. Jehovah's team sucks!

Robert

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....Watchtower: How can you find inner peace???

by integ in

friends, .

the new watchtower of july 15 '05..has on its cover "how can you find inner peace?

" let's see.....acoording to the article one can avail themself of this inner peace by believing and trusting in gods' promises, which promises are revealed by his "faithful slave".

robhic

-- Nothing spells "inner peace" for me more than to know that I have to base my entire life, and what I do with it, on an organization that has NEVER gotten anything right....except to say that; "thing's have gotten worse these days....see...we said that over 100 years ago" (and even that statement is debatable).

I like what someone posted in another thread a few days ago. When the "things have gotten so much worse" statement is made, respond with your own question as to exactly when would the person prefer to be living?

The Middle Ages? During the time of the Spanish Inquisition, Infuenza Plague, Crusades, rudimentary medical procedures? Before electricity and indoor plumbing? WHEN?!

I would be curious to hear just when this person who thinks things are so bad would prefer to live. Of course, depending on when they would pick, if they were above the age of 40 or so years old they'd not even have lived (probably) this long...

Robert

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Simese Jehovahs Witness Turns Apostate

by gumby in

ok, lets say you were born attached at the shoulder of your twin.

your mom raises yer sorry arse as a dub and you both grow up knockin on doors together..........then you turn into an apostate heathen bastard.

how does the witness one go to the meetings and out in service....and how do you the poor apostate bastard go to apostafests and stuff?

robhic

I actually pondered this the other day (am I sad or what?). If a woman has had the op and later becomes a ''brother'', would he be allowed to progress as a male in the Org (get PRIVELEDGES). I'd suspect not. BUT if a man had previously trans-gendered, by the same token she ought to be able to progress as a brother.

But .... what if they didn't know? Wouldn't it be interesting to see the faces if and when someone somehow found out that elder so-and-so was actually sister so-and-so?

Robert

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5/23/05 KM Article "Jehovah's Day is Near"

by TheListener in

to be covered during service meetings week of 5/23/05.. q&a.

1. christians ardently desire the coming of jehovah's day, through which he will destroy the present system of things and usher in a new world of righteousness.

(2 peter 3:12,13, ftn.

robhic

2. March of World Powers: As recorded at Revelation 17:9-11, the apostle John mentions "seven kings," representing a succession of seven world powers. John also refers to "an eighth king," which now represents the United Nations.

Doesn't the complete and utter silliness of this assertion even raise an eyebrow when it is mentioned? The UN is a toothless, clawless, old outdated entity that can't find its own ass with both hands! The UN could never be considered a "king" or world power of any variety. How could this organization start a war (or whatever) that would result in it ruling the world? Ain't no way!

The very thought boggles the (realistic) mind.

Robert

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Goodbye 1960's WT & Awakes on 2004 WT CD-ROM

by ithinkisee in

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now there is nothing earlier than 1970 on the 2004 wt cd-rom.. goodbye wt history to the general rank-and-file.. -ithinkisee

robhic

That, plus their legal department shutting down the Quotes internet site yesterday (see other thread),

Say what?! What other thread? I can't find anything about the site closing. Please give more details. This is sad.

Robert

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Something the speaker said yesterday that got my wife thinking. Advice?

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

i was working yesterday so i wasnt at the meeting but the speaker in his talk made comments about 1914 on several occasions and towards the end of his talk he mentioned that if any new ones in attendence didnt understand the signficance of 1914 or how we know that christ started ruling in 1914 that they were invited to ask any jw in attendence to explain these things to them and they would be happy to.

this really got my wife to thinking because as a 28 year old jw who was raised as a witness and who has always been very active in the ministry she couldnt explain 1914 or any beliefs that we have as witnesses in regards to 1914 other than things havent been the same in the world since this pivotal date.

something as simple as this comment from this speaker can be the first step into seeing the errors in the wt belief system.

robhic

I can't believe that no one has mentioned the alltime, simple, kick-ass timeline refutation by Alleymom! Go to:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/55372/1.ashx

The simplicity and elegance of this graphic timeline will slap you in the head!!! It's simple, graphic, indisputable and is accompanied by WT articles to backup that what the graphic timelind shows. It's really easy and to-the-point.

Good luck,

Robert

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Jesus invisible return

by gringojj in

does the wts have any scriptural evidence that jesus would return invisibly and annoint them?

robhic

Do these count?

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4, page 621.

1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873." The Time Is at Hand, page ii, (forward).

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Doors closed in 1935?

by gringojj in

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has the wts ever said specifically that there would be no more anoinments after 1935 or anything to that effect?

robhic

*** Watchtower 1997 October 1 p.23 Grateful for a Long Life in Jehovah's Service ***
Confident in Kingdom Hope

In 1935 we came to understand that the "great crowd" was not a secondary heavenly class. We learned that it instead represents a class that survives the great tribulation and has the opportunity of living forever in Paradise on earth. (Revelation 7:9-14) With this new understanding, some who had partaken of the Memorial emblems realized that theirs was an earthly hope, and they discontinued partaking.

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http://www.freeminds.org/history/part3.htm (scroll down to "1935")

1935 [Close of "high calling" of the 144,000 .. from 1935 WTBTS have taught that only about 8,000 of the 144,000 are still alive in the 1990s, that the "Great Company/Crowd" in Rev 7 are not considered anointed Christians, are not "born again" do not partake in communion, do not have Christ as mediator, and can at most expect eternal life on Earth] {WT Jun 15 1992 23, HIS2 166}

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Hope this helps.

Robert

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Six Million Can't be Wrong .... part II

by robhic in

as a non-jw, i read with interest and amusement the thread "six million jws can't be wrong..." thread.

all great posts but as i was digesting them a thought occurred to me: the jw position is self-contradicting.

i know that's probably not a surprise to ex-jws, but i found it amusing.

robhic

As a non-JW, I read with interest and amusement the thread "Six Million JWs Can't be Wrong..." thread. All great posts but as I was digesting them a thought occurred to me: The JW position is self-contradicting. I know that's probably not a surprise to ex-JWs, but I found it amusing.

If 6MM JWs are so right, then, using that "logic", 1 billion Catholics must really be right. Or Muslims. Or any group with membership of more than 6MM, right? No! because the path is narrow and Matt 7:14 is cited.

OK, then, again using that "logic", a group with less numbers than 6 MM (Scientologists at 1/2 million was noted) would be even more likely to fit on "the path", right? Why aren't the smaller religions not the ones on the narrow path, huh?

How can such obvious (to me, at least) self-contradicting statements not provide a "Hmmmm..." moment for JWs? Like if one were to make the comment about 6MM JWs can't be wrong and I mentioned that Catholics or Muslims or other larger group must really be right, would the next statment be a "Well, but the path is narrow" one to which my reply would be about smaller groups fitting that description?

This is circular reasoning at its finest. If I get the chance to have this conversation with my JW friend -- or one of her JW friends -- I'd like to try it. Do you think it would go anywhere?

Robert

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YHWH...used by the Catholics....

by Golden Girl in

i was talking to my grown ex jw daughter the other day and we were discussing the new cathedral downtown.

the old one is still there but small.

i was telling her that the hebrew letters for "jehovah's name" is inscribed on the top of the cathedral.

robhic

Not that I am a scholar of any type, but the King James version of the bible contains the name "Jehovah" and always has, to my knowledge. Many bible translations contain the name Jehovah so I never understood why this was made a big deal.

These other versions don't use Jehovah in the New Testament (as seems to be the generally accepted truth ...even the JWs admit it.) nor quite as much as the NWT but it is not a name wholly unrecognized or unused by other religious denominations.

Just my thoughts,

Robert